FireChan Posted December 28, 2016 Posted December 28, 2016 (edited) Thanks in advance for all the welcome backs. I'd like to take a moment, in the buildup to this meaningless week 17 matchup between EJ Manuel and Ryan Fitzpatrick, fresh off the glorious firing of a terrible coach, to talk about some things. #1: Taylor's struggles and regression. http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/184548-fergys-op-ed-on-mobile-qbs-and-their-career-trajectories/ Taylor was a QB who was forced by teams to beat them without relying as much on his physical gifts this season, and he couldn't respond. He did worse to much-worse across the board stat-wise, as predicted. In this league, if you aren't getting better, you're getting worse and Taylor couldn't escape that fate. Stats: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TaylTy00.htm #2: The Rexit as a leader of men. http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/187393-tod-726-rex-love-or-hate-him/page-4 Of course, it was very easy to see another defensive mutiny was just waiting to boil over in 2016. Anyone who was shocked that the defense allowed 3 200+ yard rushers this season did not truly have their finger on the pulse of the locker room. Dareus couldn't wait to badmouth Rex on his way out this year. This entire team quit in 2015 on Rex in the Redskins game, and while the ring leader in Mario was cut out, the remaining sycophants never forgot their glorious leader and folded in the face of adversity time and time again. But you can't fire the entire defense so the only solution was to fire a man who lost a lockerroom the fastest I've ever seen. The Pegulas took too long. #3: Defense by the numbers. Lots of folks say that the 2014 defense was an anomaly and Rex inherited a defense that reverted to the norm. Couldn't be further from accurate. The 2013 defense for all its warts, was 10th in total yards allowed, 7th in drive time allowed, 5th in plays per drive, 2nd in yards per drive and 12th in points per drive. All with EEEEeeeeeeeJJJJJJJ, Thad, and Tuel at the helm of the O. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2013.htm The 2014 defense was 4th in points, 4th in yards, 5th in drive time, 3rd in plays, 3rd in yards, 1st in points per drive. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2014.htm That looks like an upward trend to me, even battling injuries, suspensions, mostly mediocre QB's and offenses and scheme change. And then here comes the REXIT. The 2015 defense. 15th in points,19th in yards, 3rd in time, 5th in plays, 12th in yards per drive, 14th in points per drive. Not the worst defense we've ever seen, but certainly worse than 2013, especially with the improved O. Bad. This should have gotten Rex canned immediately in order to prevent a waste of resources rebuilding a Rex scheme instead of replenishing a 4-3. Instead, we were subjected to... http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2015.htm The 2016 defense. 15th in points, 19th in yards. Seems close to 2015, no? But break it down and it gets gross. 26th in time per drive. 20th in plays per drive. 19thin in yards per drive. 22nd in points per drive. All this because the ownership was afraid to can a clear problem. Which leads me to... #4: The Pegulas are bad owners. These guys have made poor decision after poor decision and it has really cost us greatly. Starting out with forcing out Marrone, a coach that had a power struggle with Whaley, and then setting up the exact same power struggle to happen again. No czar, no unilateral direction. Hiring Rex, a buffoon, either forcing Whaley to go along with a choice he wouldn't have made or getting conned by Whaley who threw his own bad decision under the bus to save his own skin. The Rex hire guaranteeing our great defense would change schemes. Is there any doubt, today of all days, we'd all be better off with another year or 2 of Marrone+Schwartz? The Pegulas walked in playing hardball and pissed away $30M and look like laughing stocks. There's still time to turn it around, but they need to rip out the rot. #5 Whaley is not good, is impossible to work with, and is a major issue on this team. http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/184192-the-doug-whaley-positives-are-taking-huge-hits/ Here we go with this guy again. On the team for 7 years but don't hold EJ against him, it was Nix's fault! Even though 3 days after EJ was drafted, Nix was still operating as the figurehead GM and traded for Hughes. The Buffalo Bills PR machine has a vested interest in blaming everything that went wrong under Whaley to Nix. But damn, this guy is bad. Not only has he clearly incorporated his tendrils into the Pegulas and made himself unfireable, a la Russ Brandon, but he stinks. All we have to show with Doug Whaley is a worthless TT extension that pissed away cash, a hobbled Sammy Watkins, and yet another game we have to suffer through watching his boy play QB. Not only has this guy doubled and tripled down on EJ at every opportunity, paving the way as best he could for him to play. (We all know Cassell would've been the #2 in 2015 if he didn't get traded away), but his other "hits" are barely that. The only good in 2016 player Whaley has drafted in 4 years is John freaking Miller, and he was a 3rd round OG! Woods is a disappointment, Kiko set the bar high and flamed out (McCoy trade notwithstanding, a drunk Chip Kelly doesn't count as a Whaley "great move," just like taking Luck #1 overall, it was a no-brainer), Seantrel is done in the league, Kujo is a 2nd rounder backup who is next to worthless, Karlos is gone, Cockrell is cut, Darby came back to earth, JWill is a nobody, Ragland hasn't played, Shaq looks pedestrian, Preston Brown is mediocre etc etc. There's a laundry list of draft disappointments on this guy's head, and now he's the Pegula's right hand man? Honestly, someone tell me why I should have any faith Whaley will find us a franchise QB? He seems paralyzed by fear of EJ-type failure again. He hasn't taken 1 high in 3 drafts, and we have had nobody at the position. Why? Anybody? Bueller? Not to mention his clashes with 2 HC's who he clearly poisoned the owners against and blamed for all his misfortune. The source of the leaks against Marrone and Rex are not that hard to trace. Anyway, that's it If anyone wants to start an "FC for Czar" GoFundMe, have your people call my people. Edited December 28, 2016 by FireChan
FireChan Posted December 28, 2016 Author Posted December 28, 2016 Nah No reason for a Czar jesus Huh?
Big Turk Posted December 28, 2016 Posted December 28, 2016 Yup...Whaley sucks, but players he brings in keep making pro bowls...must be dumb luck I guess... Wonder why the Bills aren't getting killed on their OLine after Wood went down...oh, yeah...he brought in Ryan Groy who has performed admirably, being invisible most games, which is pretty good for a backup...ever see what half the teams in the NFL's lines look like when a backup comes in? But you are right...Watkins is terrible...Karlos was terrible...I guess its Whaley's fault he ate himself out of the league...Darby now all of a sudden apparently sucks.... This to me sounds like a guy who watches but doesn't see....
John from Riverside Posted December 28, 2016 Posted December 28, 2016 Is there a particular reason why a poster would announce they were forced to take a "vacation" at the start of their post? I really weakens the rest of the post for validity. Did you think you were in exile like Game of Thrones?
FireChan Posted December 28, 2016 Author Posted December 28, 2016 (edited) Yup...Whaley sucks, but players he brings in keep making pro bowls...must be dumb luck I guess... Wonder why the Bills aren't getting killed on their OLine after Wood went down...oh, yeah...he brought in Ryan Groy who has performed admirably, being invisible most games, which is pretty good for a backup...ever see what half the teams in the NFL's lines look like when a backup comes in? But you are right...Watkins is terrible...Karlos was terrible...I guess its Whaley's fault he ate himself out of the league...Darby now all of a sudden apparently sucks.... This to me sounds like a guy who watches but doesn't see.... Groy is good because all OL look decent with a mobile QB. It sounds more like you didn't read, I said Watkins was good. Darby has been not good, have you watched the games? He got benched. Whaley has never drafted a ProBowl player. Ever. Is there a particular reason why a poster would announce they were forced to take a "vacation" at the start of their post? I really weakens the rest of the post for validity. Did you think you were in exile like Game of Thrones? What? You don't get suspended for being incorrect. Else you'd be gone years ago. How does it hurt my "validity?" Edited December 28, 2016 by FireChan
John from Riverside Posted December 28, 2016 Posted December 28, 2016 Groy is good because all OL look decent with a mobile QB. It sounds more like you didn't read, I said Watkins was good. Darby has been not good, have you watched the games? He got benched. Whaley has never drafted a ProBowl player. Ever. What? You don't get suspended for being incorrect. Else you'd be gone years ago. How does it hurt my "validity?" LOL why do I get the feeling you wont get a chance to express to many of your points.....look forward to your next vacation
FireChan Posted December 28, 2016 Author Posted December 28, 2016 LOL why do I get the feeling you wont get a chance to express to many of your points.....look forward to your next vacation that probably means I'll get made a moderator.
MAJBobby Posted December 28, 2016 Posted December 28, 2016 It must take alot for a vacation because people think i should have been on one long ago
K D Posted December 28, 2016 Posted December 28, 2016 The Pegulas are listening to bad advice. They mean well but Whaley has to go. If it takes a football czar to give them that advice then so be it
Estelle Getty Posted December 28, 2016 Posted December 28, 2016 It must take alot for a vacation because people think i should have been on one long ago Yes even Estelle has noticed your a bit strange.
quinnearlysghost88 Posted December 28, 2016 Posted December 28, 2016 I'm so disgusted by all of these unemployed football czars walking around, not holding power, not being able to bestow knowledge onto ignorant football owners. just aimlessly wandering through life.
Original Byrd Man Posted December 28, 2016 Posted December 28, 2016 Thanks in advance for all the welcome backs. I'd like to take a moment, in the buildup to this meaningless week 17 matchup between EJ Manuel and Ryan Fitzpatrick, fresh off the glorious firing of a terrible coach, to talk about some things. #1: Taylor's struggles and regression. http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/184548-fergys-op-ed-on-mobile-qbs-and-their-career-trajectories/ Taylor was a QB who was forced by teams to beat them without relying as much on his physical gifts this season, and he couldn't respond. He did worse to much-worse across the board stat-wise, as predicted. In this league, if you aren't getting better, you're getting worse and Taylor couldn't escape that fate. Stats: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TaylTy00.htm #2: The Rexit as a leader of men. http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/187393-tod-726-rex-love-or-hate-him/page-4 Of course, it was very easy to see another defensive mutiny was just waiting to boil over in 2016. Anyone who was shocked that the defense allowed 3 200+ yard rushers this season did not truly have their finger on the pulse of the locker room. Dareus couldn't wait to badmouth Rex on his way out this year. This entire team quit in 2015 on Rex in the Redskins game, and while the ring leader in Mario was cut out, the remaining sycophants never forgot their glorious leader and folded in the face of adversity time and time again. But you can't fire the entire defense so the only solution was to fire a man who lost a lockerroom the fastest I've ever seen. The Pegulas took too long. #3: Defense by the numbers. Lots of folks say that the 2014 defense was an anomaly and Rex inherited a defense that reverted to the norm. Couldn't be further from accurate. The 2013 defense for all its warts, was 10th in total yards allowed, 7th in drive time allowed, 5th in plays per drive, 2nd in yards per drive and 12th in points per drive. All with EEEEeeeeeeeJJJJJJJ, Thad, and Tuel at the helm of the O. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2013.htm The 2014 defense was 4th in points, 4th in yards, 5th in drive time, 3rd in plays, 3rd in yards, 1st in points per drive. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2014.htm That looks like an upward trend to me, even battling injuries, suspensions, mostly mediocre QB's and offenses and scheme change. And then here comes the REXIT. The 2015 defense. 15th in points,19th in yards, 3rd in time, 5th in plays, 12th in yards per drive, 14th in points per drive. Not the worst defense we've ever seen, but certainly worse than 2013, especially with the improved O. Bad. This should have gotten Rex canned immediately in order to prevent a waste of resources rebuilding a Rex scheme instead of replenishing a 4-3. Instead, we were subjected to... http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2015.htm The 2016 defense. 15th in points, 19th in yards. Seems close to 2015, no? But break it down and it gets gross. 26th in time per drive. 20th in plays per drive. 19thin in yards per drive. 22nd in points per drive. All this because the ownership was afraid to can a clear problem. Which leads me to... #4: The Pegulas are bad owners. These guys have made poor decision after poor decision and it has really cost us greatly. Starting out with forcing out Marrone, a coach that had a power struggle with Whaley, and then setting up the exact same power struggle to happen again. No czar, no unilateral direction. Hiring Rex, a buffoon, either forcing Whaley to go along with a choice he wouldn't have made or getting conned by Whaley who threw his own bad decision under the bus to save his own skin. The Rex hire guaranteeing our great defense would change schemes. Is there any doubt, today of all days, we'd all be better off with another year or 2 of Marrone+Schwartz? The Pegulas walked in playing hardball and pissed away $30M and look like laughing stocks. There's still time to turn it around, but they need to rip out the rot. #5 Whaley is not good, is impossible to work with, and is a major issue on this team. http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/184192-the-doug-whaley-positives-are-taking-huge-hits/ Here we go with this guy again. On the team for 7 years but don't hold EJ against him, it was Nix's fault! Even though 3 days after EJ was drafted, Nix was still operating as the figurehead GM and traded for Hughes. The Buffalo Bills PR machine has a vested interest in blaming everything that went wrong under Whaley to Nix. But damn, this guy is bad. Not only has he clearly incorporated his tendrils into the Pegulas and made himself unfireable, a la Russ Brandon, but he stinks. All we have to show with Doug Whaley is a worthless TT extension that pissed away cash, a hobbled Sammy Watkins, and yet another game we have to suffer through watching his boy play QB. Not only has this guy doubled and tripled down on EJ at every opportunity, paving the way as best he could for him to play. (We all know Cassell would've been the #2 in 2015 if he didn't get traded away), but his other "hits" are barely that. The only good in 2016 player Whaley has drafted in 4 years is John freaking Miller, and he was a 3rd round OG! Woods is a disappointment, Kiko set the bar high and flamed out (McCoy trade notwithstanding, a drunk Chip Kelly doesn't count as a Whaley "great move," just like taking Luck #1 overall, it was a no-brainer), Seantrel is done in the league, Kujo is a 2nd rounder backup who is next to worthless, Karlos is gone, Cockrell is cut, Darby came back to earth, JWill is a nobody, Ragland hasn't played, Shaq looks pedestrian, Preston Brown is mediocre etc etc. There's a laundry list of draft disappointments on this guy's head, and now he's the Pegula's right hand man? Honestly, someone tell me why I should have any faith Whaley will find us a franchise QB? He seems paralyzed by fear of EJ-type failure again. He hasn't taken 1 high in 3 drafts, and we have had nobody at the position. Why? Anybody? Bueller? Not to mention his clashes with 2 HC's who he clearly poisoned the owners against and blamed for all his misfortune. The source of the leaks against Marrone and Rex are not that hard to trace. Anyway, that's it If anyone wants to start an "FC for Czar" GoFundMe, have your people call my people. How about FC is clueless.
yungmack Posted December 28, 2016 Posted December 28, 2016 What the hell is a "football czar"? Is he a guy whispering in the owner's ear with criticism of the GM or HC? Does he have final say on drafts, FAs, coaches, game day personnel, play calling? If so, then he sounds like a hybrid owner/GM/HC so why not just replace all of those people with the "czar"? The owner can check in every few years and see how much his investment has appreciated. And if he''s not doing those things, then why have him in the first place? Sounds more like a position that exists because an owner doesn't trust his staff. It is just another level of bureaucracy that makes everything more confused.
MAJBobby Posted December 28, 2016 Posted December 28, 2016 The Pegulas are listening to bad advice. They mean well but Whaley has to go. If it takes a football czar to give them that advice then so be it Why. When have they taken Whaleys advice and it failed.
NoSaint Posted December 28, 2016 Posted December 28, 2016 LOL why do I get the feeling you wont get a chance to express to many of your points.....look forward to your next vacation You might not realize it but you are sometimes a not tooooo distant cousin of FC, just on the opposing side
FireChan Posted December 28, 2016 Author Posted December 28, 2016 Why. When have they taken Whaleys advice and it failed. "Rex Ryan is an acceptable Head Coach." You might not realize it but you are sometimes a not tooooo distant cousin of FC, just on the opposing side Excuse me.
K D Posted December 28, 2016 Posted December 28, 2016 Why. When have they taken Whaleys advice and it failed. You must be joking.
FireChan Posted December 28, 2016 Author Posted December 28, 2016 What the hell is a "football czar"? Is he a guy whispering in the owner's ear with criticism of the GM or HC? Does he have final say on drafts, FAs, coaches, game day personnel, play calling? If so, then he sounds like a hybrid owner/GM/HC so why not just replace all of those people with the "czar"? The owner can check in every few years and see how much his investment has appreciated. And if he''s not doing those things, then why have him in the first place? Sounds more like a position that exists because an owner doesn't trust his staff. It is just another level of bureaucracy that makes everything more confused. He is the leader who either operates as GM or picks his own and the organization structure stems from him. He is a man the Pegulas trust. And one that they can stay the hell away from any and all decisions.
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