MAJBobby Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 He is just the latest to conclude this. It is not a good look - firing a guy less than two years with leaks swirling moments before biggest game of year. If you are a worthwhile and in demand HC candidate, why would you choose this situation over another where the prior guy got less than two years, presumably was undermined by the GM with ownership and (I think) damaging leaks to the media, and the depth of injuries, suspensions, and a bottom half QB. Not a great situation. Hes just the latest to recycle his unstable writing of the past. Has anyone turned an interview down yet with all this "instability" News flash coach got fired because he took a top 5 defense and made it worse EVERY YEAR. Jesus That's not saying much, it's like saying a family making one dollar above the poverty line is doing better. This franchise is a mess. A fanboy owner with zero experience in sports allowing a guy who calls himself a scout to run basically the entire football operation and while still, apparently, listening to a marketer have his say on football decisions. Drain the Cap. Get rid of all the hangers on who hang around and overseen this mess. How could they do worse than getting rid of Whaley, Brandon, Overdorf and all the others. Serious question. How could it be worse? They're like a company teetering on bankruptcy that just won't file for it, instead trying to solve the problem with the same management. Lynn will be another in the line of mediocre coaches. A guy who's coaching career up until this year never amounted to anything more than basically a RB coach? As was stated in some article this morning, a legit coach wants control and that's not possible here given the GM control, so they'll settle. They're settlers. Really. What Legit coach out there has publicly stated i want competel control of all personnel. How many top end coaches have complete control of all personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 (edited) Yeah because you know Brandon is a Sith in full control of the mind control powers of the Force. Ooo a PR puff piece AFTER a hire to show a united FO wow never happens elsewhere lol Funny how you did not have that reaction to the current Whaley spin on this. I was beginning to think that Doug Whaley was on vacation in the Himalayas when Rex was hired behind his back and against his will. Edited December 28, 2016 by Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 (edited) Funny how you did not have that reaction to the current Whaley spin on this. I was beginning to think that Doug Whaley was on vacation in the Himalayas when Rex was hired behind his back and against his will. Yeah Funny i cann actually logically look at this situation amazing isnt it He made his recommendation Owner went elswhere hard to understand for those wearing tin foil hats But your hate for this man is strong i give you that Edited December 28, 2016 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 28, 2016 Author Share Posted December 28, 2016 @JoeBuscaglia #Bills say that Doug Whaley will be available next Monday, for the season ending press conference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Yeah Funny i cann actually logically look at this situation amazing isnt it He made his recommendation Owner went elswhere hard to understand for those wearing tin foil hats But your hate for this man is strong i give you that I never thought that St. Doug Whaley should be fired (and indeed supported him) until it became clear to me that he was undermining the head coach in the middle of the season with ownership and in the media. Although I did not like how much we gave up for Sammy, I was willing to overlook that. It is clear to me though that he undermined the coach. That bothers me. That also will bother any potential HC candidate that is worthwhile and in demand. We will hire someone that is either completely beholden to DW for the job (and not in any particular demand) or the Pegulas will have to really overpay and make promises (e.g., of course we will give you more than two years). Just my two cents. @JoeBuscaglia #Bills say that Doug Whaley will be available next Monday, for the season ending press conference. This should be fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 I never thought that St. Doug Whaley should be fired (and indeed supported him) until it became clear to me that he was undermining the head coach in the middle of the season with ownership and in the media. Although I did not like how much we gave up for Sammy, I was willing to overlook that. It is clear to me though that he undermined the coach. That bothers me. That also will bother any potential HC candidate that is worthwhile and in demand. We will hire someone that is either completely beholden to DW for the job (and not in any particular demand) or the Pegulas will have to really overpay and make promises (e.g., of course we will give you more than two years). Just my two cents. This should be fun. If its so clear show me some evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 If its so clear show me some evidence As i have said before, follow the money or in this case - who has benefited most by all of this. Who still has a job even though he has been for a longer period of the drought? Who has been chosen to lose the search? P.S. Who was afraid to answer questions this week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 I never thought that St. Doug Whaley should be fired (and indeed supported him) until it became clear to me that he was undermining the head coach in the middle of the season with ownership and in the media. Although I did not like how much we gave up for Sammy, I was willing to overlook that. It is clear to me though that he undermined the coach. That bothers me. That also will bother any potential HC candidate that is worthwhile and in demand. We will hire someone that is either completely beholden to DW for the job (and not in any particular demand) or the Pegulas will have to really overpay and make promises (e.g., of course we will give you more than two years). Just my two cents. This should be fun. How can a GM undermine his HC in the middle of the season when four months earlier he brings that HC via draft, a hybrid DE/LB. a middle LB, a versatile DL and a CB, plus three linebackers (Brown, Alexander, Spikes) (Whaley failed with Blanton) in FA. Ryan promised the owners he would give them a better defense than he inherited. Rex Ryan failed at that promise, in fact the defense got worse in his watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Nothing makes things better than wild rumors and speculation. The local media (which never breaks a Bills story ever)loves this. You think with all these leaks one of these "journalists " would break a story just once. As i have said before, follow the money or in this case - who has benefited most by all of this. Who still has a job even though he has been for a longer period of the drought? Who has been chosen to lose the search? P.S. Who was afraid to answer questions this week? Peter, you're a good poster who I believe is letting your feelings for Rex cloud your judgment on Whaley imo. Who gives a crap about press conferences? What if Whaley and his staff are putting together their coaching search criteria or scouting at bowl games? It's amazing how much stock people put into these things. Rex was good at press conferences. Belichick is bad at them. Who cares? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 As i have said before, follow the money or in this case - who has benefited most by all of this. Who still has a job even though he has been for a longer period of the drought? Who has been chosen to lose the search? P.S. Who was afraid to answer questions this week? None of that is evidence. Post it. And GM didnt talk during a regular scheduled coaches pressor the outrage He will talk Monday alreay scheduled as well So show me evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Nothing makes things better than wild rumors and speculation. The local media (which never breaks a Bills story ever)loves this. You think with all these leaks one of these "journalists " would break a story just once. Peter, you're a good poster who I believe is letting your feelings for Rex cloud your judgment on Whaley imo. Who gives a crap about press conferences? What if Whaley and his staff are putting together their coaching search criteria or scouting at bowl games? It's amazing how much stock people put into these things. Rex was good at press conferences. Belichick is bad at them. Who cares? Here is the thing about Whaley: because of how he has handled a number of things - from Manuel to the firing to media relations - he is now public enemy #1 in western NY. I'm not saying it's fair at all, but it is what it is. He's target #1 now, and the writing is on the wall for him. If the Bills don't make the playoffs next year - and they probably won't given the brutal schedule plus massive question at QB - the pitchforks will be out and he will be fired. It will be a really ugly year. He has done himself no favors by stonewalling the press. It's pretty stupid of him, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 How can a GM undermine his HC in the middle of the season when four months earlier he brings that HC via draft, a hybrid DE/LB. a middle LB, a versatile DL and a CB, plus three linebackers (Brown, Alexander, Spikes) (Whaley failed with Blanton) in FA. Ryan promised the owners he would give them a better defense than he inherited. Rex Ryan failed at that promise, in fact the defense got worse in his watch. Nothing makes things better than wild rumors and speculation. The local media (which never breaks a Bills story ever)loves this. You think with all these leaks one of these "journalists " would break a story just once. Peter, you're a good poster who I believe is letting your feelings for Rex cloud your judgment on Whaley imo. Who gives a crap about press conferences? What if Whaley and his staff are putting together their coaching search criteria or scouting at bowl games? It's amazing how much stock people put into these things. Rex was good at press conferences. Belichick is bad at them. Who cares? I believe he undermined Rex with ownership for reasons posted here and in those secret posts in reddit or wherever by an undisclosed Bills employee. I also believe that he (or people close to him) were responsible for leaks - including the one that completely undermined Rex and team minutes before the Pittsburgh game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Here is the thing about Whaley: because of how he has handled a number of things - from Manuel to the firing to media relations - he is now public enemy #1 in western NY. I'm not saying it's fair at all, but it is what it is. He's target #1 now, and the writing is on the wall for him. If the Bills don't make the playoffs next year - and they probably won't given the brutal schedule plus massive question at QB - the pitchforks will be out and he will be fired. It will be a really ugly year. He has done himself no favors by stonewalling the press. It's pretty stupid of him, actually. that is just your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Nothing makes things better than wild rumors and speculation. The local media (which never breaks a Bills story ever)loves this. You think with all these leaks one of these "journalists " would break a story just once. Peter, you're a good poster who I believe is letting your feelings for Rex cloud your judgment on Whaley imo. Who gives a crap about press conferences? What if Whaley and his staff are putting together their coaching search criteria or scouting at bowl games? It's amazing how much stock people put into these things. Rex was good at press conferences. Belichick is bad at them. Who cares? Thanks. I appreciate it. You also are a great poster. You probably are partially correct. Regarding the PC, I agree with your point about PCs in general, yet, I do not like what DW did to AL. DW got what he wanted. Own it. Be a leader. Don't make Lynn have to respond for decisions that he clearly did not make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 that is just your opinion. It is my opinion. Judging by the media reaction both in Buffalo and nationally, I don't think I'm wrong. Media coverage drives opinion. It will not be pretty unless the Bills shock the world and win next season. I don't foresee that happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 I believe he undermined Rex with ownership for reasons posted here and in those secret posts in reddit or wherever by an undisclosed Bills employee. I also believe that he (or people close to him) were responsible for leaks - including the one that completely undermined Rex and team minutes before the Pittsburgh game. Maybe he did. Was he doing it on his own? (Going rogue?) Or was he doing the Pegulas bidding? It's hard to imagine someone being so insubordinate given the power to make such a major hire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 It is my opinion. Judging by the media reaction both in Buffalo and nationally, I don't think I'm wrong. Media coverage drives opinion. It will not be pretty unless the Bills shock the world and win next season. I don't foresee that happening. Lynn HC; pick up option on TT; make Kromer OC; and sign Gus Bradley, and we go 10-6/11-5. We're almost there man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 I believe he undermined Rex with ownership for reasons posted here and in those secret posts in reddit or wherever by an undisclosed Bills employee. I also believe that he (or people close to him) were responsible for leaks - including the one that completely undermined Rex and team minutes before the Pittsburgh game. I mean that's your opinion. But personally, I won't make people making accusations about my character without any concrete evidence. And why won't Whaley be frustrated? We hired a big talking defensive coach who screwed up a loaded defense. As GM, it must be awesome watching Jay freaking Ajayi run for over 200 yards twice against you! It sounds like you want Whaley to know a press conference to say that he Rex was a total fraud and sucked as a head coach. Would that be better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 None of that is evidence. Post it. And GM didnt talk during a regular scheduled coaches pressor the outrage He will talk Monday alreay scheduled as well So show me evidence That is my opinion. It also has been fairly well documented that he has ownership's ear now. If he wanted to keep Rex, I suspect Rex would still be the coach. It is clear to me that DW wanted Rex out and has wanted him out based on what I have read etc. Who leaked to LaCanfora so that Rex and team were undermined minutes before most important game up to that time? Who stood to benefit? Who is not being blamed for not making the playoffs these past several years? Who is not being blamed for overpaying for Sammy? Who is not being blamed for the TT injury clause? Who continues to have his job as GM? Who is now floating the idea that he was not in favor of Rex's hiring even though he was quoted as completing each other's sentences. Who is now leading the HC search? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Lynn HC; pick up option on TT; make Kromer OC; and sign Gus Bradley, and we go 10-6/11-5. We're almost there man. Hope you're right. I don't see Bradley, however. there are going to be better options out there for him, I suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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