Hire Matt Patricia!!!

[Buffalo Barbarian]

If you hire Patricia and he says keep Taylor i promise for the 2017 season i will not say one negative thing about that QB. Thats how much I love this idea

 

Come now, we KNOW you can't abide by this

 

This year it is def Patricia, but literally just last year BB took over the play calling because he got ticked off with their performance. I don't think he has ever done that with the OC.

 

I think Patricia be a great HC as long as he isn't handcuffed by management. What I mean by that is the owners and GM say "you will play X player because he makes X dollars" even though Patricia knows Y player is better. ( be like if the owner in Seattle told Carroll to play Flynn instead of a certain young rookie QB.)

 

Wow that's nuts, surprised the Krafts are so meddling. You guys are screwed when Tom retires

[Zulu Cthulhu]

Talked about the success of a coaching tree

 

Sorry there are successes in that coaching tree to include one in the Playoffs this year. But keep dismissing good candidates because they come from the best ever coach

Tell that to cleveland, and denver, and kansas city. Seriously if you want to just cherry pick we can do that too. How about some actual stats besides the fact the guy is very smart. Lots of very smart guys are floating around out there, including many other rocket engineers. Sorry but I know he's been successful in NE but a lot of guys have. And then they failed on their own. Edited December 28, 2016 by Zulu Cthulhu

[Big Turk]

I am not a rocket scientist.

 

Saban hmmmm granted college but hmmm

Bill Obrien guess playoffs is bad

 

Al Groh left the NFL with. Winning record to go to college

Ferentz seems tk be doing fine

 

Oooo the Board loves Schwartz

 

 

But thats ok just think of Mangini, Weis And Romeo (Book not finished on McDaniels yet)

Oh we are going to count Bill O'Briens playoffs because they play in a joke of a division? They are winning by default..

nobody seems to want to win that division, it just sort of becomes who screws up the least...

 

Bills would have been runaway winners of that division the last two years...must be nice to clinch your division at 9-6...

[dave mcbride]

Tell that to cleveland, and denver, and kansas city. Seriously if you want to just cherry pick we can do that too. How about some actual stats besides the fact the guy is very smart. Lots of very smart guys are floating around out there, including many other rocket engineers. Sorry but I know he's been successful in NE but a lot of guys have. And then they failed on their own.

Um ... Crennel got the Browns to 10 wins one year, which is their most ever in their new incarnation and a helluva feat considering the circumstances there.

[MAJBobby]

 

Come now, we KNOW you can't abide by this

 

 

Wow that's nuts, surprised the Krafts are so meddling. You guys are screwed when Tom retires

Yep i will watch. That is where i Am at

[dave mcbride]

A guy who hasn't suckled BB's teet for their whole career has a much better chance of consistently beating BB imo.

 

Everyone thought Mangini was a genius... then he went to the Jets.

 

The only way Patricia has any success as a HC in the league is if he does so outside the AFC east. Bringing him to Buffalo would be the height of stupidity for this franchise that just can't take any more stupidity if it wants to turn things around.

 

MP is a name. He's hype. Nothing more.

 

As I said above: for decades, everyone thought michigan qbs always sucked in the nfl -- until they didn't. Judge the individual, not the largely mythical aura of a coaching tree. Ray handley was horrible; belichick is great. Individuals, my friend. This isn't to say that Patricia should be the hc; just that we should excise that very flawed logic from our thought processes.

[MAJBobby]

Tell that to cleveland, and denver, and kansas city. Seriously if you want to just cherry pick we can do that too. How about some actual stats besides the fact the guy is very smart. Lots of very smart guys are floating around out there, including many other rocket engineers. Sorry but I know he's been successful in NE but a lot of guys have. And then they failed on their own.

No am i the one cherry pocking so i can poo poo a coaching tree

 

News flash some fail some succeed. So ignore the successes and point at the failures too poo poo something. And who is cherry picking?

Oh we are going to count Bill O'Briens playoffs because they play in a joke of a division? They are winning by default..

nobody seems to want to win that division, it just sort of becomes who screws up the least...

 

Bills would have been runaway winners of that division the last two years...must be nice to clinch your division at 9-6...

No we just dismiss it because we want to say BB coaching tree sucks

 

Nees flash there are successes oit of that tree just like their Are failures.

 

Who do you want as Hc

[Zulu Cthulhu]

No am i the one cherry pocking so i can poo poo a coaching tree

 

News flash some fail some succeed. So ignore the successes and point at the failures too poo poo something. And who is cherry picking?

"Some fail some succeed"...so you're saying it's a 50/50 proposition then? Then why campaign for the guy? All I'm saying is BB's recent coaching tree products have failed (in the pros, dont care about college) and no one has been able to refute that. Bottom line BB and Brady are the straws that stir that drink, and people campaigning for MP or anyone else from that shop are deluding themselves. Keep banging that drum though.

[MAJBobby]

"Some fail some succeed"...so you're saying it's a 50/50 proposition then? Then why campaign for the guy? All I'm saying is BB's recent coaching tree products have failed (in the pros, dont care about college) and no one has been able to refute that. Bottom line BB and Brady are the straws that stir that drink, and people campaigning for MP or anyone else from that shop are deluding themselves. Keep banging that drum though.

Again your choice for HC so i can go cherry pick all the failures. Ignore successes and maybe show you how stupid your position is.

[Zulu Cthulhu]

Again your choice for HC so i can go cherry pick all the failures. Ignore successes and maybe show you how stupid your position is.

I don't have a preferred pick for a new HC yet, that's why I didn't start a thread selling out for a guy like this. When I find one I'll let you know. All I know is MP's defenses have been mediocre since he's been "the man" over there (even though anyone that pays even passing attention to football knows BB runs the show). Combine that with the track record of Weis, Romeo, McDaniels, etc sorry I ain't sold on this particular guy, no matter how many letters he has after his last name.

Edited December 28, 2016 by Zulu Cthulhu

[MAJBobby]

I don't have a preferred pick for a new HC yet, that's why I didn't start a thread selling out for a guy like this. When I find one I'll let you know. All I know is MP's defenses have been mediocre since he's been "the man" over there (even though anyone that pays even passing attention to football knows BB runs the show). Combine that with the track record of Weis, Romeo, McDaniels, etc sorry I ain't sold on this particular guy, no matter how many letters he has after his last name.

Ok thanks let me know. I will go cherry pick that coaching trees failures

 

What i do know is his defense is about to give up the least amount of points in 3 years. Better than the 2014 Seahawks and 2015 Broncos if they hold MiA to 17 or under

 

And that is WITH No Ninkovich, Chandler Jones Traded and Jamie Collins Traded.

 

In terms of scoring defense (you know the stat that really matters) since he has taken over that defense they have ranked 10,8,10,1. Screams Mediocre let me tell you. (Does Scream consistently top 10)

 

 

Its ok i know those stats just turned the mediocre argument on its head.

Edited December 28, 2016 by MAJBobby

[PatsFanNH]

 

A guy who hasn't suckled BB's teet for their whole career has a much better chance of consistently beating BB imo.

 

Everyone thought Mangini was a genius... then he went to the Jets.

 

The only way Patricia has any success as a HC in the league is if he does so outside the AFC east. Bringing him to Buffalo would be the height of stupidity for this franchise that just can't take any more stupidity if it wants to turn things around.

 

MP is a name. He's hype. Nothing more.

Funny thing about Mangini, he actually did pretty well in NY. The problem is the Owner is an ass hat and canned him because the team slid a little in year 2. But magically when they were all healthy Rex took that same team to 2 AFCC games. Mangini also bet the Pats a couple times as well.

 

Mind you he crossed the emperor and well he is now out of football. (BB told him he shouldn't take that job in NY and he didn't listen.)

Edited December 28, 2016 by PatsFanNH

[Deranged Rhino]

As I said above: for decades, everyone thought michigan qbs always sucked in the nfl -- until they didn't. Judge the individual, not the largely mythical aura of a coaching tree. Ray handley was horrible; belichick is great. Individuals, my friend. This isn't to say that Patricia should be the hc; just that we should excise that very flawed logic from our thought processes.

 

It's certainly about individuals, no argument there. It's also a generalization and just my opinion.

 

But it's not flawed logic. The flawed logic would be to ignore the reality of the system these coordinators have come up in under Bellicheat. BB built the system and rebuilt the organization into a finely tuned machine that works in perfect harmony with his schemes. MP has never had to build his own system, on any level. He's never had to coach a defense that didn't have the safety blanket of the game's best QB and HC being there to pick up the slack.

 

Put him out on his own and he'll suddenly have to be responsible for building the things he's taken for granted in NE for his tenure. That's where the problems arise. There's a learning curve that even the great BB had to navigate when he left Parcells. It takes time... time MP won't have if he's asked to do that kind of restructuring and program building while having to play his mentor twice a year in the division.

 

Yes, it's individuals and MP could certainly be the exception... but I wouldn't hold my breath. The truth is the primary reason for these coordinators' success in NE isn't their own brilliance, but the work BB did prior to them arriving which has allowed them to thrive.

 

No BB coordinator is going to thrive in the division against him. The fans are too fickle to give him that kind of time.

 

 

Funny thing about Mangini, he actually did pretty well in NY. The problem is the Owner is an ass hat and canned him because the team slid a little in year 2. But magically when they were all healthy Rex took that same team to 2 AFCC games. Mangini also bet the Pats a couple times as well.

 

Mind you he crossed the emperor and well he is now out of football. (BB told him he shouldn't take that job in NY and he didn't listen.)

 

He did. But Mangini was only 3-5 vs BB.

[MAJBobby]

Funny thing about Mangini, he actually did pretty well in NY. The problem is the Owner is an ass hat and canned him because the team slid a little in year 2. But magically when they were all healthy Rex took that same team to 2 AFCC games. Mangini also bet the Pats a couple times as well.

 

Mind you he crossed the emperor and well he is now out of football. (BB told him he shouldn't take that job in NY and he didn't listen.)

He is out of football because he fell off. Has nothing to do with crossing BB.

 

Wow pats fans really are arrogant

 

He was AFC coach of the year in 2006

 

And exposed the cheats for thier cheating ways and for that i will be forever grateful

Edited December 28, 2016 by MAJBobby

[dave mcbride]

 

It's certainly about individuals, no argument there. It's also a generalization and just my opinion.

 

But it's not flawed logic. The flawed logic would be to ignore the reality of the system these coordinators have come up in under Bellicheat. BB built the system and rebuilt the organization into a finely tuned machine that works in perfect harmony with his schemes. MP has never had to build his own system, on any level. He's never had to coach a defense that didn't have the safety blanket of the game's best QB and HC being there to pick up the slack.

 

Put him out on his own and he'll suddenly have to be responsible for building the things he's taken for granted in NE for his tenure. That's where the problems arise. There's a learning curve that even the great BB had to navigate when he left Parcells. It takes time... time MP won't have if he's asked to do that kind of restructuring and program building while having to play his mentor twice a year in the division.

 

Yes, it's individuals and MP could certainly be the exception... but I wouldn't hold my breath. The truth is the primary reason for these coordinators' success in NE isn't their own brilliance, but the work BB did prior to them arriving which has allowed them to thrive.

 

No BB coordinator is going to thrive in the division against him. The fans are too fickle to give him that kind of time.

 

 

 

He did. But Mangini was only 3-5 vs BB.

Neither Crennell, McDaniel, nor Mangini were horrible. All had some experience winning, although they were on the losing end more often as seasons went on More importantly, they were all coaches of teams that had bad QB situations save for Mangini's Jets (which went 9-7 before he was fired). The only dud was Charlie Weis. I have no explanation for that because Weis did well with Parcells too. But the college game is different, and more than half of it is recruiting skills. Bill O'Brien has done a damn good job given the horrible QB situation he has had to navigate.

 

I expect that McDaniel will probably do well the next time around provided he has a qb. Recall that he had Orton and Tebow.

 

Situations are more complex than you're portraying them to be.

Edited December 28, 2016 by dave mcbride

[Deranged Rhino]

Neither Crennell, McDaniel, nor Mangini were horrible. All had some experience winning, although they were on the losing end more often as seasons went on More importantly, they were all coaches of teams that had bad QB situations save for Mangini's Jets (which went 9-7 before he was fired). The only dud was Charlie Weis. I have no explanation for that because Weis did well with Parcells too. But the college game is different, and more than half of it is recruiting skills. Bill O'Brien has done a damn good job given the horrible QB situation he has had to navigate.

 

I expect that McDaniel will probably do well the next time around provided he has a qb.

 

Situations are more complex than you're portraying them to be.

Bill O is outside the division. Different story.

Mcdaniels is hot garbage though.

[MAJBobby]

Bill O is outside the division. Different story.

Mcdaniels is hot garbage though.

So moving goalposts. They all dont suck so we have to figure out a way to say the coaching tree still sucks

[dave mcbride]

Bill O is outside the division. Different story.

Mcdaniels is hot garbage though.

That's irrelevant. Belichick is old and won't coach forever. More importantly, he beats up on everyone. Against coaches who were not his former assistants, my guess is that his winning percentage is something like .766 since 2001 (his overall winning percentage since then - 196-60 record assuming they beat the Dolphins on Sunday).

Edited December 28, 2016 by dave mcbride

[Deranged Rhino]

So moving goalposts. They all dont suck so we have to figure out a way to say the coaching tree still sucks

 

In no way is it moving the goalposts. I've said since the beginning being in division against BB is the reason they'd fail here. BO doesn't fit that mold.

 

That's irrelevant. Belichick is old and won't coach forever. More importantly, he beats up on everyone. Against coaches who were not his former assistants, my guess is that his winning percentage is something like .825 since 2001.

 

It's not irrelevant. It's my entire point. Hiring a BB coordinator in division is asking to fail.

 

That BO Plays in the weakest division in football helps. But not as much as being outside the AFCE.

[dave mcbride]

 

 

In no way is it moving the goalposts. I've said since the beginning being in division against BB is the reason they'd fail here. BO doesn't fit that mold.

 

 

It's not irrelevant. It's my entire point. Hiring a BB coordinator in division is asking to fail.

 

That BO Plays in the weakest division in football helps. But not as much as being outside the AFCE.

This is circular reasoning. Look at his record against non-former assistants and compare that with his record against former assistants, and then come back to me.