jms62 Posted December 27, 2016 Posted December 27, 2016 Yeah, but I'll grant that point. 21 points were scored that were not by the offense. Take away those points from the Bills, and they're 13th in scoring overall. However, in doing that I didn't take away of the ST/defensive scores for the other teams on the list. Well to be fair it is only 18 And that is the calculation i used to come up with 24 ppg Just like when EJ led this offense it was 23 ppg When did EJ lead the offense over the course of a season to average 23 points? I honestly don't remember that.
34-78-83 Posted December 27, 2016 Posted December 27, 2016 You really think that? He's being benched so he doesn't get hurt and the Bills will not be forced to keep him and pay him per contract and you think he is going to be here next year? 1 - that screams the Bills are not satisfied and are going to look elsewhere for better QB play 2 - if you are Tyrod, do you want to come back after this 3 - Rex, his biggest supporter just got relieved Don't really think Tyrod is going to be back in Buffalo PM me lets have a friendly wager - say 20$ on paypal?
jms62 Posted December 27, 2016 Posted December 27, 2016 You really think that? He's being benched so he doesn't get hurt and the Bills will not be forced to keep him and pay him per contract and you think he is going to be here next year? 1 - that screams the Bills are not satisfied and are going to look elsewhere for better QB play 2 - if you are Tyrod, do you want to come back after this 3 - Rex, his biggest supporter just got relieved Don't really think Tyrod is going to be back in Buffalo Nice try... You think they are benching him off of a 375 total offensive yard day because of performance to play a proven failure and worst QB the Bills have ever drafted in the first round.. Sure....
Manther Posted December 27, 2016 Posted December 27, 2016 I think they truly don't know yet and can't risk it one way or the other. It will matter who the HC is, who the OC is, and what they want to do at he position. Tyrod might end up being their best option stillAgreed
Maury Ballstein Posted December 27, 2016 Posted December 27, 2016 Nice try... You think they are benching him off of a 375 total offensive yard day because of performance to play a proven failure and worst QB the Bills have ever drafted in the first round.. Sure.... Bye bye. No more scheme excuses in 2017
All_Pro_Bills Posted December 27, 2016 Posted December 27, 2016 Nice try... You think they are benching him off of a 375 total offensive yard day because of performance to play a proven failure and worst QB the Bills have ever drafted in the first round.. Sure.... For what its worth, this quote about the decision with Taylor was on ESPN.com article on Ryan's firing. "EJ (Manuel) playing is strictly for injury reasons in Tyrod's deal," one Bills source said. "We already know who EJ is, and Cardale (Jones) is not ready." http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18358134/buffalo-bills-cautious-tyrod-taylor-plan-start-ej-manuel-week-17-new-york-jets
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted December 27, 2016 Posted December 27, 2016 He's under contract - so for the people saying he "won't want to come back"... he doesn't have a choice if we pick up the option. If we cut him - Whaley had better have a realistic backup plan beyond re-signing EJ, or bringing in some cast off. There will be a drop off, and I feel like saying there wouldn't be is not realistic. The fact is - the defense let this team down. We were supposed to be good on defense, and we were not in the last 2 years. That is the reason we are where we are. You can throw a million advanced stats at me about the offense, scoring, 3 and out % or whatever. But the fact remains that our defense let this team down. We were shredded by Ajayi twice, Bell once, Carr once, russel wilson, brady, etc. 3 200 yard rushers? Allowed over 30 PPG in 8 losses? Coverage problems, miscommunication , tackling problems all season. 0 accountability.
philip316 Posted December 27, 2016 Posted December 27, 2016 Who is going to replace Tyrod that is any better????? The guy is elusive, extends plays and hasn't had the starting receivers together since week 2 until the last 2 games. Sammy is on a broken foot. The offensive philosophy is run and play defense. The guy hasn't had a great chance to get into a throwing rhythm. I have watched the Bills for years and this is almost a replay of the Doug Flutie/Rob Johnson debacle. Johnson had one good game in place of Flutie and Buffalo had him start over Flutie against the Titans - the rest is crap history. We've changed quarterbacks how many times since? Don't make the same mistake by jumping ship early, Tyrod can play. Re-work his contract to make it incentive laden, like all contracts should be. If you get a rookie or some high priced free agent, the rest of the team will suffer and likely take a step back. BTW, it wasn't Tyrod that missed tackles which allowed 3 TDs for Miami. Who are you going to get who is better?
The Jokeman Posted December 27, 2016 Posted December 27, 2016 I don't think it guarantees that Tyrod is gone, it just guarantees that the Bills have the option to move on, if the new HC isn't feeling it. Personally, I don't think Tyrod is 'the guy', but he is talented, and better than anyone else we have available to us right now. Unless we're feeling *really* optimistic about a draft pick or Cardale, I could see him returning. Do you think Tyrod would want to return if the team wouldn't start him specifically coming off his best game in the NFL? It's a bit of a slap of the face and I can even say that and not a Tyrod supporter. Who is going to replace Tyrod that is any better????? The guy is elusive, extends plays and hasn't had the starting receivers together since week 2 until the last 2 games. Sammy is on a broken foot. The offensive philosophy is run and play defense. The guy hasn't had a great chance to get into a throwing rhythm. I have watched the Bills for years and this is almost a replay of the Doug Flutie/Rob Johnson debacle. Johnson had one good game in place of Flutie and Buffalo had him start over Flutie against the Titans - the rest is crap history. We've changed quarterbacks how many times since? Don't make the same mistake by jumping ship early, Tyrod can play. Re-work his contract to make it incentive laden, like all contracts should be. If you get a rookie or some high priced free agent, the rest of the team will suffer and likely take a step back. BTW, it wasn't Tyrod that missed tackles which allowed 3 TDs for Miami. Who are you going to get who is better? Which Tyrod is the real Tyrod the one who finally passed for 300 yards against Miami and finally put us ahead in the fourth quarter? or the one who struggled against the Ravens (with Watkins) against Seattle inside the 10? or the second half against Oakland. Based on the law of averages I'd predict the Tyrod we saw games 1-14 and last year was the Tyrod we should expect. If he reworks his contract I'd consider it but I can't see him wanting to do that especially after this weeks "benching".
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted December 27, 2016 Posted December 27, 2016 2 seasons. 26th and 31st in passing. What else do you wannna see ? EJ starts Sunday. Doesnt scream well for Tyrod option It takes higher level understanding to see it was a business decision.
Maury Ballstein Posted December 27, 2016 Posted December 27, 2016 It takes higher level understanding to see it was a business decision. Yes. Can't afford to pay a bottom level qb big bucks.
Dorkington Posted December 27, 2016 Posted December 27, 2016 Do you think Tyrod would want to return if the team wouldn't start him specifically coming off his best game in the NFL? It's a bit of a slap of the face and I can even say that and not a Tyrod supporter. Any player worth keeping understands the business of this decision. Tyrod comes off as level headed, I'm sure he understands it, and understands he's not the best QB in the league either.
jms62 Posted December 27, 2016 Posted December 27, 2016 Any player worth keeping understands the business of this decision. Tyrod comes off as level headed, I'm sure he understands it, and understands he's not the best QB in the league either. They need to shut down Sammy also.
MAJBobby Posted December 27, 2016 Author Posted December 27, 2016 When did EJ lead the offense over the course of a season to average 23 points? I honestly don't remember that. Ooo now its over a course of a season. It supports my point the Church wants to poo poo on thay ANY QB can score in this offense with the way its built.
quinnearlysghost88 Posted December 27, 2016 Posted December 27, 2016 i can't wait to see a rob johnson week 17 vs bad Colts team like game to make the entire discussion worse.
Dorkington Posted December 27, 2016 Posted December 27, 2016 We really need a thread for discussion of other QB options. I imagine Whaley has a list of QBs he prefers over Tyrod, and will go after said list in whatever way he can before the deadline to keep Tyrod comes up. If he doesn't get anyone, he keeps Tyrod. It's pretty simple, really. They need to shut down Sammy also. I fully support this.
fridge Posted December 27, 2016 Posted December 27, 2016 (edited) For what its worth, this quote about the decision with Taylor was on ESPN.com article on Ryan's firing. "EJ (Manuel) playing is strictly for injury reasons in Tyrod's deal," one Bills source said. "We already know who EJ is, and Cardale (Jones) is not ready." http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18358134/buffalo-bills-cautious-tyrod-taylor-plan-start-ej-manuel-week-17-new-york-jets Another source sighting! I love this source! He's blunt and to the point and definitely not Russ Brandon! Edit: This is sarcasm. Edited December 27, 2016 by fridge
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted December 27, 2016 Posted December 27, 2016 Any player worth keeping understands the business of this decision. Tyrod comes off as level headed, I'm sure he understands it, and understands he's not the best QB in the league either. No upside to playing TT. Only Rex wanted to play him this week and try to get to .500. EJ should help them get the number 9 pick in the draft by starting.
dave mcbride Posted December 27, 2016 Posted December 27, 2016 We really need a thread for discussion of other QB options. I imagine Whaley has a list of QBs he prefers over Tyrod, and will go after said list in whatever way he can before the deadline to keep Tyrod comes up. If he doesn't get anyone, he keeps Tyrod. It's pretty simple, really. I fully support this. If injury is a concern, it's imperative he's shut down given the history of recurrence with that injury. But I doubt they will given that they want EJ to have a fighting chance.
MAJBobby Posted December 27, 2016 Author Posted December 27, 2016 It takes higher level understanding to see it was a business decision. Yes it does. Said there still is ??? With Tyrod. if they were sold on TT he would be playing option picked up and first question of new coach interview how do you continue to build with Tyrod.
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