MAJBobby Posted December 26, 2016 Author Share Posted December 26, 2016 The Broncos won the Superbowl with the 19th ranked scoring offense. With that defense they could do it again with an average QB like Taylor. Again lets ignore the Bad Tape Whats the Broncos rushing offense? Remember Bills run first Shady (elite) carry the offense is what helps Taylor be AVG. broncos got that Lets ignore the fact all teams now have two years of bad (alot) tape on Taylor instead of teo years ago when he was an unknown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 (edited) Again lets ignore the Bad Tape Whats the Broncos rushing offense? Remember Bills run first Shady (elite) carry the offense is what helps Taylor be AVG. broncos got that Lets ignore the fact all teams now have two years of bad (alot) tape on Taylor instead of teo years ago when he was an unknown You want bad QB tape? How about watching the QBs the Jets, Browns, Texans, Jaguars, Bears, Vikings, Rams, and 49ers had playing for them. Then come back and talk about how bad Tyrod Taylor is. Edited December 26, 2016 by 1billsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Bills fans LOVE the injury excuse. Watch game all year and tell me he did not regress from last year to this year. What so funny about this thread is i asked a very simple (well maybe not) what in the offense changes so bad that is cannot be offset if you move on from Taylor. With the exception of a couple the COT came running but really do not asnwer my question. And all that equals out of the playoffs and .500 because with this QB can not score points when it matters to win. Game. Whats his record when trailing by 4 at any point in a football game? I was responding to someone saying that their offense was scoring DESPITE their QB. They pointed to the rushing TDs leading the league as evidence. As we've discussed the combination of the parts is responsible for the results. You can't exclude people because you "think" that's what's happening. You are what your record says you are. You don't score "despite" your QB; he plays a role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 The Broncos won the Superbowl with the 19th ranked scoring offense. With that defense they could do it again with an average QB like Taylor. True. Watching them play the Pats last week, I found myself wondering what's that team would be like with a different QB. They made Brady look like just another guy. 16 points and just one TD for the Pats. Good enough to win the SB again. Taylor has a connection to Kubiak. Look, we are in a different era in the NFL when it comes to paying QBs. Brock freakin' Osweiler, anyone? Taylor at around the 12th lowest paid staring QB is not crazy. If they passes more often he'd have more yardage. He's not a top QB by any stretch, but doesn't turn it over and isn't hot flaming garbage like some of these QBs out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Bills fans LOVE the injury excuse. Watch game all year and tell me he did not regress from last year to this year. What so funny about this thread is i asked a very simple (well maybe not) what in the offense changes so bad that is cannot be offset if you move on from Taylor. With the exception of a couple the COT came running but really do not asnwer my question. And all that equals out of the playoffs and .500 because with this QB can not score points when it matters to win. Game. Whats his record when trailing by 4 at any point in a football game? In 6 of their losses, the Bills scored at least 24 points (two of them they scored 31). In those losses, the D gave up an average of 35 points per game. This is to easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 26, 2016 Author Share Posted December 26, 2016 You want bad QB tape? How about watching the QBs the Jets, Browns, Texans, Jaguars, Bears, Vikings, Rams, and 49ers had playing for them. Then come back and talk about how bad Tyrod Taylor is. Ok lets go through them Browns - set it up that way (not taking TT in offseason already have him on the roster) Jets - did it themselves like the Bills waited til the need a QB and scrambled. Now have a Young 2nd round pick that will likely be the QB next year (will maybe take TT but will have to completely change their offense which might happen actually with a new coaching staff) Texans - doubt Taylor goes there either in offseason doesnt fit that offense that relies on timing Bears - maybe he goes there but i think they are in for a rebuild and will go young and build around he growth of their young Qb Vikings - wow cool bad tape on a bandaid player because they lost theirnyoung guy a week before the season Rams - Fisher need i say more San Fran - now here could be a threat for Taylor in offseason think it fits a Chip Kelly offense. However they will be in a position to get similar style and younger and more upside with Watson in draft. Awesome so Taylor was better than 6 QBs and a Bandaid. Get him the gold jacket I was responding to someone saying that their offense was scoring DESPITE their QB. They pointed to the rushing TDs leading the league as evidence. As we've discussed the combination of the parts is responsible for the results. You can't exclude people because you "think" that's what's happening. You are what your record says you are. You don't score "despite" your QB; he plays a role. Yeah he does play a roll. He plays a big role on a .500 team in which the offense cannot come from behind and win If Shady is not going this offense is putrid but lets extend a player that plays that roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 26, 2016 Author Share Posted December 26, 2016 True. Watching them play the Pats last week, I found myself wondering what's that team would be like with a different QB. They made Brady look like just another guy. 16 points and just one TD for the Pats. Good enough to win the SB again. Taylor has a connection to Kubiak. Look, we are in a different era in the NFL when it comes to paying QBs. Brock freakin' Osweiler, anyone? Taylor at around the 12th lowest paid staring QB is not crazy. If they passes more often he'd have more yardage. He's not a top QB by any stretch, but doesn't turn it over and isn't hot flaming garbage like some of these QBs out there. He doesnt turn the ball over because he doesnt throw alot, also takes the conservative play majority of the time and a reason this team leads the league in 3 and outs. Edwards didnt turn the Ball over either was he good enough? In 6 of their losses, the Bills scored at least 24 points (two of them they scored 31). In those losses, the D gave up an average of 35 points per game. This is to easy. It is. MIA why didnt Taylor and this scoring offense score with 2 cracks in OT? Why didnt Taylor make the clutch throw in Seattle Man garbage time stats also help scoring too doesnt it? Easy indeed Seriously. What is Bobby even arguing? Let him walk and go with who???? Hoyer? Fine Watson go with Watson Or Mahomes now tell me how thats worse than one of the worst passing offenses in the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 (edited) Yeah he does play a roll. He plays a big role on a .500 team in which the offense cannot come from behind and win If Shady is not going this offense is putrid but lets extend a player that plays that roll. They are on the verge of being the 3rd or 4th highest scoring team in franchise history. Trying to point the finger there isn't going to work. 26 PPG isn't the reason that they are going to be .500. Edited December 26, 2016 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 26, 2016 Author Share Posted December 26, 2016 (edited) They are on the verge of being the 3rd or 4th highest scoring team in franchise history. Trying to point the finger there isn't going to work. 26 PPG isn't the reason that they are going to be .500.And on the verge actually nope already did miss the playoffs. Want to give Taylor a roll in all the scoring cant ignore when he didnt and lost multiple games (MIA and Sea) because of it. Keep ignoring that. Keep ignoring watching a football game and When Shady is not rolling this offense is putrid I mean not asking much if you want to roll Taylor into a reason for the good team stats he has to be rolled into a reason for the bad as well Edited December 26, 2016 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 In 6 of their losses, the Bills scored at least 24 points (two of them they scored 31). In those losses, the D gave up an average of 35 points per game. This is to easy. For what this team was supposed to be if they score 24 they should win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 26, 2016 Author Share Posted December 26, 2016 For what this team was supposed to be if they score 24 they should win. The should stuff. Cool gonna credit the games defense bailed TT and the offense out. Probably not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 He doesnt turn the ball over because he doesnt throw alot, also takes the conservative play majority of the time and a reason this team leads the league in 3 and outs. Edwards didnt turn the Ball over either was he good enough? It is. MIA why didnt Taylor and this scoring offense score with 2 cracks in OT? Why didnt Taylor make the clutch throw in Seattle Man garbage time stats also help scoring too doesnt it? Easy indeed Fine Watson go with Watson Or Mahomes now tell me how thats worse than one of the worst passing offenses in the NFL How many points were scored in "garbage time"? Be specific now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 And on the verge actually nope already did miss the playoffs. Want to give Taylor a roll in all the scoring cant ignore when he didnt and lost multiple games (MIA and Sea) because of it. Keep ignoring that. Keep ignoring watching a football game and When Shady is not rolling this offense is putrid The facts are the facts. You are giving opinions. It's a fact that they average 25.9 points a game. The reason that you THINK something happens will never be more accurate than it DID happen. You are saying that you THINK that this or that happened. I am saying that 25.9 PPG DID happen. Facts vs. opinions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 26, 2016 Author Share Posted December 26, 2016 The 7 points in Baltimore The 13 in MIA (pre garbage time) Two times in OT cant score (send MIA Game) Seattle Wow offense scored when they need to there is 4 more wins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 In 6 of their losses, the Bills scored at least 24 points (two of them they scored 31). In those losses, the D gave up an average of 35 points per game. This is to easy. Team records when their defense gives up 21+ points Bills 2-7 Oak 7-3 Pit 1-6 Mia 6-3 Ind 5-7 Phi 0-9 NE 4-1 GB 4-5 NO 6-6 Hou 3-6 Small sample size but it's a QB heavy scoring league and you need your QB to be able to outscore other QBs more often than not. Using the Mia game, imagine if TT did that every week? The Bills would win way more than they lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 26, 2016 Author Share Posted December 26, 2016 How many points were scored in "garbage time"? Be specific now.... 8 in MIa is one right off top of my head Team records when their defense gives up 21+ points Bills 2-7 Oak 7-3 Pit 1-6 Mia 6-3 Ind 5-7 Phi 0-9 NE 4-1 GB 4-5 NO 6-6 Hou 3-6 Small sample size but it's a QB heavy scoring league and you need your QB to be able to outscore other QBs more often than not. Using the Mia game, imagine if TT did that every week? The Bills would win way more than they lose. Hey look at that. Playoff teams are in that mix What is Tyrod Taylors record when down 4 at any point in the game. Meaning if opposing team scores a TD 1st the game is already over can turn it off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 They are on the verge of being the 3rd or 4th highest scoring team in franchise history. Trying to point the finger there isn't going to work. 26 PPG isn't the reason that they are going to be .500. The next obvious question is does a new coach with a better grasp of defensive concepts in this current era of football make a major difference and a quick turnaround for this team? There is no doubt that the LBing corps has to be upgraded and the safety positions have to be upgraded but that is doable in short order. I thought we had talent on the line. But they were very frequently gashed. Was it scheme or talent issues or a combination of both? I don't have the answers to all the questions posed but I can say unequivocally that Rex with his archaic philosophy of defense set this franchise back. It was a bad hire and the repercussions were devastating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 26, 2016 Author Share Posted December 26, 2016 (edited) 15 points on Patriots 8 with MIA 7 with Steelers Being very strict with my choices There is 30 Should i add the positive (when we are winning) garbage time points too? Edited December 26, 2016 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 (edited) The next obvious question is does a new coach with a better grasp of defensive concepts in this current era of football make a major difference and a quick turnaround for this team? There is no doubt that the LBing corps has to be upgraded and the safety positions have to be upgraded but that is doable in short order. I thought we had talent on the line. But they were very frequently gashed. Was it scheme or talent issues or a combination of both? I don't have the answers to all the questions posed but I can say unequivocally that Rex with his archaic philosophy of defense set this franchise back. It was a bad hire and the repercussions were devastating. Agreed I don't know the answer to the defense. I guess that I think that the scheme is just that bad. The more comfortable that they got with it and the better that they understood it, the worse they played. They have some holes on the defense as well (specifically at S). The defense has just been abysmal. There needs to be a lot of changes to the defense and the first step is scrapping that Ryan scheme IMO.The answer is both but lean towards the scheme as the bigger issue. Edited December 26, 2016 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Team records when their defense gives up 21+ points Bills 2-7 Oak 7-3 Pit 1-6 Mia 6-3 Ind 5-7 Phi 0-9 NE 4-1 GB 4-5 NO 6-6 Hou 3-6 Small sample size but it's a QB heavy scoring league and you need your QB to be able to outscore other QBs more often than not. Using the Mia game, imagine if TT did that every week? The Bills would win way more than they lose. So if TT shows for over 300 yards every game and the offense runs up 600 yards and over 30 point per game, they would win more than they would lose? This is...amazing! 8 in MIa is one right off top of my head Hey look at that. Playoff teams are in that mix What is Tyrod Taylors record when down 4 at any point in the game. Meaning if opposing team scores a TD 1st the game is already over can turn it off So.....8 garbage points. Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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