Bill from NYC Posted December 25, 2016 Posted December 25, 2016 I get it, Gilmore wants to stay healthy for a big contract somewhere else next season. Remember how bad Clements wanted out of Buffalo? We have seen this before. Even given the above, Gilmore (imo) is a disgrace and I truly do hope he moves on. A case could be made that his attempt at a "shoulder tackle" cost us a game with playoff implications, on Christmas Eve. I like when we fans disagree. It makes this board great and I learn from good dialogue. Can anyone explain to me how getting rid of Mario was good but losing Gilmore would be bad? My take is good riddance to both!
Beef Jerky Posted December 25, 2016 Posted December 25, 2016 "Gilmore wants to stay healthy for his big contract" get the !@#$ out!
MAJBobby Posted December 25, 2016 Posted December 25, 2016 Nope been saying it all year he is a very Good player and has been for years and this defense (no matter what it is or who is coaching it) will be worse off without him. However i have also decided this team is not that close and there are some very big problems with it (wont say the areas cause dont want to Hijack the thread). So because of those problems i have changed my tone on re-signing him. Not because of the player itself but because I dont think they are built in a waynto commit long term to a top end CB.
BringBackFergy Posted December 25, 2016 Posted December 25, 2016 He is an absolute piece of garbage. Show me one INT where he challenged a WR and stripped it out or fought for the ball. Not. Every INT of his was thrown right to him. His half assed tackles where he lowers his shoulder and the TE jumps over him or the WR bounces off him and runs upfield for another 15 yds. ****ty tackling, indecisive, meek, quiet, non-leader. Blah. See ya!!
Big C Posted December 25, 2016 Posted December 25, 2016 Guys, shoulder tackling is actually less safe than proper tackling. He was not playing to save his body. He just isn't very good at tackling. Still played decent in coverage.
MidnightGambler Posted December 25, 2016 Posted December 25, 2016 Tyrod standing in there, taking big time shots when passing. I know it's his job, but when I see wimpy Gilmore afraid to tackle and avoiding contact time after time each game all year I find its disgusting and brutal. He's not a team player or an average corner. He's out of here and not worth the money. Cmon lets agree on this please.
klos63 Posted December 25, 2016 Posted December 25, 2016 I get it, Gilmore wants to stay healthy for a big contract somewhere else next season. Remember how bad Clements wanted out of Buffalo? We have seen this before. Even given the above, Gilmore (imo) is a disgrace and I truly do hope he moves on. A case could be made that his attempt at a "shoulder tackle" cost us a game with playoff implications, on Christmas Eve. I like when we fans disagree. It makes this board great and I learn from good dialogue. Can anyone explain to me how getting rid of Mario was good but losing Gilmore would be bad? My take is good riddance to both! Mario is having his 2nd poor season in a row, so I think it shows to be a good move. I think Gilmore is a good CB with a lousy DC. I think he could be valuable in a better defense. Not sure we have a replacement for him too.
Bad Things Posted December 25, 2016 Posted December 25, 2016 I've just about always felt he was way over-rated. His body language on the field is that of a soft player who likes to be seen at the periphery of plays, instead of where the action is. I fully understand that his leaving would create a big hole for us, but boy do I want him outta here.
Big C Posted December 25, 2016 Posted December 25, 2016 He is an absolute piece of garbage. Show me one INT where he challenged a WR and stripped it out or fought for the ball. Not. Every INT of his was thrown right to him. His half assed tackles where he lowers his shoulder and the TE jumps over him or the WR bounces off him and runs upfield for another 15 yds. ****ty tackling, indecisive, meek, quiet, non-leader. Blah. See ya!! I mean, there was that one where he basically ran the route for the defender and cut in front of him for the pick and almost took it to the house. Think that was Cincinnati?
BringBackFergy Posted December 25, 2016 Posted December 25, 2016 I mean, there was that one where he basically ran the route for the defender and cut in front of him for the pick and almost took it to the house. Think that was Cincinnati?He had a good game...after AJ Green went out with injury.
Blokestradamus Posted December 25, 2016 Posted December 25, 2016 Nope been saying it all year he is a very Good player and has been for years and this defense (no matter what it is or who is coaching it) will be worse off without him. However i have also decided this team is not that close and there are some very big problems with it (wont say the areas cause dont want to Hijack the thread). So because of those problems i have changed my tone on re-signing him. Not because of the player itself but because I dont think they are built in a waynto commit long term to a top end CB. Bobby makes a good point. This D isn't a corner away from being elite. It's missing a bunch of parts and investing in Gilmore might not be the smartest idea. Love the player (as you all know) and I'll always root for the guy because he's criminally underrated amongst this fanbase but maybe calling it quits isn't the worst idea. The tackle attempt doesn't change anything. I pay my guys to cover first, the rest is gravy. I just hope we fire Rex into the sun and restore this defense to what it should be. Damn it, Tyrod deserves better, as does Shady and Sammy.
Dr.Sack Posted December 25, 2016 Posted December 25, 2016 Deion Sanders sucked at tackling too. Most corners suck at it outside of Aqib Taleb.
JohnC Posted December 25, 2016 Posted December 25, 2016 I get it, Gilmore wants to stay healthy for a big contract somewhere else next season. Remember how bad Clements wanted out of Buffalo? We have seen this before. Even given the above, Gilmore (imo) is a disgrace and I truly do hope he moves on. A case could be made that his attempt at a "shoulder tackle" cost us a game with playoff implications, on Christmas Eve. I like when we fans disagree. It makes this board great and I learn from good dialogue. Can anyone explain to me how getting rid of Mario was good but losing Gilmore would be bad? My take is good riddance to both! Bill, this game was filled with missed tackles by almost everyone on defense. Of course that Gilmore shoulder bump was a big play that was very costly. You may find it surprising but I don't that a top tier cover corner isn't the best of tacklers. In my view Gilmore falls in the top fourth or third rankings at his position. If he hits the market he will reap a contract that will fall into the category of a bonanza. You may not place value on cover CBs but I do and so does the rest of the league. You have been denigrating him since he was drafted because the position he plays doesn't fall into your value system. I disagree with how you rank the position in importance to other positions and I disagree how you rank him as a player. If the Bills lose Gilmore to the market it will be create major void that will have to be filled. On this issue of Gilmore I haven't agreed with you from the beginning and I will continue to disagree with you. The problem with people who take notice when he doesn't make a play is that it is too often ignored when he does make a play. My recommendation to Whaley is to sign the man and pay the man. I'm confident that my take on this issue will irritate you.
xsoldier54 Posted December 25, 2016 Posted December 25, 2016 I get it, Gilmore wants to stay healthy for a big contract somewhere else next season. Remember how bad Clements wanted out of Buffalo? We have seen this before. Even given the above, Gilmore (imo) is a disgrace and I truly do hope he moves on. A case could be made that his attempt at a "shoulder tackle" cost us a game with playoff implications, on Christmas Eve. I like when we fans disagree. It makes this board great and I learn from good dialogue. Can anyone explain to me how getting rid of Mario was good but losing Gilmore would be bad? My take is good riddance to both! Agree completely Gilmore spends almost the entire game looking to avoid contact. Please just let him move on.
Uncle Joe Posted December 25, 2016 Posted December 25, 2016 I like when we fans disagree. It makes this board great and I learn from good dialogue. Can anyone explain to me how getting rid of Mario was good but losing Gilmore would be bad? My take is good riddance to both! Bill. somehow I have a feeling I will hear your scream on the West Coast when we take a corner with our number 1 pick.
ko12010 Posted December 25, 2016 Posted December 25, 2016 Deion Sanders sucked at tackling too. Most corners suck at it outside of Aqib Taleb. That's a gross overstatement and simply not accurate
Big C Posted December 25, 2016 Posted December 25, 2016 Agree completely Gilmore spends almost the entire game looking to avoid contact. Please just let him move on. Again, shoulder tackling like that is actually more dangerous than proper form tackling. Don't think he was avoiding contact but he definitely showed lack of hustle a few times.
TPS Posted December 25, 2016 Posted December 25, 2016 He's a solid corner and I'd keep him for the right price. I don't think they are far off, and losing him would create a big hole that would most likely be filled by a high draft pick.
Dragonborn10 Posted December 25, 2016 Posted December 25, 2016 Darby has been much worse than Gilmore all year. There are major holes at RT(though my plan woudl be Glenn at Rt and CK at LT), #2 WR, both safety positions, kicker and maybe even punter. Franchise him for the year. Figure out the long term contract later.
BillnutinHouston Posted December 25, 2016 Posted December 25, 2016 Agree completely Gilmore spends almost the entire game looking to avoid contact. Please just let him move on. Not only would I replace him with a lower talent guy who actually has heart, but he also reminds me how I want a coach who holds players accountable. He's disgraceful and I can't imagine his teammates like playing with him based on how he actively avoids tackling.
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