DC Tom Posted April 6, 2017 Posted April 6, 2017 Mr. Trump goes to war? Pentagon is presenting the prez options for military action in Syria. What could go wrong here? It is the Pentagon's job to present those options. Probably the first time Trump's seeing them, too. I'll start really worrying when I see stories about lower-level political meetings between us and the Russians. (And if I don't see concomitant military meetings about "deconflicting" the air space, that'll be serious pucker time.) Senate Democrats, too, are now trying to say that Trump doesn't have the legal authority to order the military in to action without authority from Congress. And they're citing the War Powers Act as support.
row_33 Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 Authority from Congress... a knee slapper... I'd hope the US stays out of it and let's nature take it course.
B-Man Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 I don’t know if it’s a coincidence either that Trump wanted the strikes to begin tonight, while he’s meeting with Xi Jinping at Mar-a-Lago. That’s a not so subtle message to the Chinese that if they don’t deal with this North Korea situation soon, wild-man Trump might deal with it his way. And of course, this is also a message to his predecessor. Where Obama, the weak man, balked when asked to enforce the international taboo against WMD, Trump the strongman president insists on following through.
Deranged Rhino Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 It is the Pentagon's job to present those options. Probably the first time Trump's seeing them, too. I'll start really worrying when I see stories about lower-level political meetings between us and the Russians. (And if I don't see concomitant military meetings about "deconflicting" the air space, that'll be serious pucker time.) Senate Democrats, too, are now trying to say that Trump doesn't have the legal authority to order the military in to action without authority from Congress. And they're citing the War Powers Act as support.
Benjamin Franklin Posted April 7, 2017 Author Posted April 7, 2017 Senate Democrats, too, are now trying to say that Trump doesn't have the legal authority to order the military in to action without authority from Congress. And they're citing the War Powers Act as support. Is that a real thing or are you making that up?
DC Tom Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 Is that a real thing or are you making that up? It's a real thing. 50 USC 33. Don't get me wrong, it's a great big pile of ****, full of conflicting and unconstitutional nonsense that requires the President to consult Congress "if possible" but only report the commitment of troops within 48 hours of their commitment, and allows their commitment for 60 days without Congressional approval. And it's never been tested in court, in no small part because everyone's afraid to have it tested in court. But for decades, it's regularly been interpreted as "The President has unfettered command of the military, and doesn't have to tell Congress what he commands until after it happens."
Deranged Rhino Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 It's a real thing. 50 USC 33. Don't get me wrong, it's a great big pile of ****, full of conflicting and unconstitutional nonsense that requires the President to consult Congress "if possible" but only report the commitment of troops within 48 hours of their commitment, and allows their commitment for 60 days without Congressional approval. And it's never been tested in court, in no small part because everyone's afraid to have it tested in court. But for decades, it's regularly been interpreted as "The President has unfettered command of the military, and doesn't have to tell Congress what he commands until after it happens." I learned about that here:
B-Man Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 (edited) Omri Ceren @omriceren From @WSJSolomon book: Iran secretly threatened to suspend nuke talks if Obama attacked Assad over chemical weapons use. Obama backed down.pic.twitter.com/GRHlSXM6Bp Bizarre that a prez who pledged to act if Assad used chem weapons didn't, and a prez who gave every indication that he wouldn't act did -- Rich Lowrey "The argument that Obama achieved comprehensive WMD disarmament without going to war is no longer...operative." Edited April 9, 2017 by B-Man
B-Man Posted April 9, 2017 Posted April 9, 2017 (edited) Watch to see if Kim Jong-Un goes into hiding after Syria strike http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04/08/expert-watch-to-see-if-kim-jong-un-goes-into-hiding-after-syria-strike.html Trump Blows Up Obama’s Foreign Policy Straw Men by Matthew Continetti Original Article Edited April 9, 2017 by B-Man
Taro T Posted April 9, 2017 Posted April 9, 2017 Watch to see if Kim Jong-Un goes into hiding after Syria strike http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04/08/expert-watch-to-see-if-kim-jong-un-goes-into-hiding-after-syria-strike.html Trump Blows Up Obama’s Foreign Policy Straw Men by Matthew Continetti Original Article Except the 2nd strawman wasn't even President Obama's. The author claimed that it was either limited quick strike hit or full invasion w/ boots on the ground; but the latter was never his policy. It was always drones or providing air support & "leading from behind." Obama was never going to intentionally put regular ground troops in where they weren't already.
Benjamin Franklin Posted April 9, 2017 Author Posted April 9, 2017 It's a real thing. 50 USC 33. Don't get me wrong, it's a great big pile of ****, full of conflicting and unconstitutional nonsense that requires the President to consult Congress "if possible" but only report the commitment of troops within 48 hours of their commitment, and allows their commitment for 60 days without Congressional approval. And it's never been tested in court, in no small part because everyone's afraid to have it tested in court. But for decades, it's regularly been interpreted as "The President has unfettered command of the military, and doesn't have to tell Congress what he commands until after it happens." Mine was in jest. War Powers Act is about as meaningful as the tenth amendment at this point.
B-Man Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 CHANGE: How the Syria Strike Flipped the U.S.-Russia Power Dynamic. By the time Secretary of State Rex Tillerson landed here on Tuesday night, it was Moscow that was trying to find the right response to an American president who, in 63 hours, completely inverted an isolationist message he had stuck to for nearly two years, a message his administration had been trumpeting just days prior. And by the time Tillerson wrapped up his meetings in Moscow, Trump was singing hosannas to Xi Jinping, leader of a country he had previously vowed to label a currency manipulator, while taking the stage with NATO secretary-general Jens Stoltenberg and declaring that, suddenly, NATO was “no longer obsolete,” as Trump had maintained during the campaign. “We have to figure out what this country’s strategy is,” Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on a political talk show on TVRain, an independent Russian channel, just hours after Tillerson touched down in Moscow, and hours before meetings were set to begin. “No one understands it right now. If you do, share your appraisal with us,” she said, flustered, to us journalists interviewing her.
B-Man Posted April 21, 2017 Posted April 21, 2017 THE ART OF THE DEAL: Freed Egyptian American prisoner returns home following Trump intervention.
DC Tom Posted April 21, 2017 Posted April 21, 2017 THE ART OF THE DEAL: Freed Egyptian American prisoner returns home following Trump intervention. How many prisoners did we release from Gitmo in exchange?
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 21, 2017 Posted April 21, 2017 Omri Ceren @omriceren From @WSJSolomon book: Iran secretly threatened to suspend nuke talks if Obama attacked Assad over chemical weapons use. Obama backed down.pic.twitter.com/GRHlSXM6Bp Bizarre that a prez who pledged to act if Assad used chem weapons didn't, and a prez who gave every indication that he wouldn't act did -- Rich Lowrey "The argument that Obama achieved comprehensive WMD disarmament without going to war is no longer...operative." We're supposed to be surprised hussein was an islamist-appeasing coward? CHANGE: How the Syria Strike Flipped the U.S.-Russia Power Dynamic. By the time Secretary of State Rex Tillerson landed here on Tuesday night, it was Moscow that was trying to find the right response to an American president who, in 63 hours, completely inverted an isolationist message he had stuck to for nearly two years, a message his administration had been trumpeting just days prior. And by the time Tillerson wrapped up his meetings in Moscow, Trump was singing hosannas to Xi Jinping, leader of a country he had previously vowed to label a currency manipulator, while taking the stage with NATO secretary-general Jens Stoltenberg and declaring that, suddenly, NATO was “no longer obsolete,” as Trump had maintained during the campaign. “We have to figure out what this country’s strategy is,” Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on a political talk show on TVRain, an independent Russian channel, just hours after Tillerson touched down in Moscow, and hours before meetings were set to begin. “No one understands it right now. If you do, share your appraisal with us,” she said, flustered, to us journalists interviewing her. Brilliance. The god-emperor is flummoxing the Rooskies.
RaoulDuke79 Posted April 23, 2017 Posted April 23, 2017 160 Afgans killed in Taliban attack. What attack are you referring to?
Deranged Rhino Posted April 23, 2017 Posted April 23, 2017 What attack are you referring to? This one: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39680101
grinreaper Posted April 23, 2017 Posted April 23, 2017 160 Afgans killed in Taliban attack. Did it make you laugh as much as the Benghazi killings did?
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