Trump foreign policy

[Deranged Rhino]

13 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

DR, I defy you to write a script anywhere near as creative as this.

 

 

I'd try, but it'd require someone deranged like Aronofsky to bring it to life visually. 

[Tiberius]

Lol

Trump: 

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Iran is failing at every level despite the terrible deal made with them by the Obama Administration. The great Iranian people have been repressed for many years. They are hungry for food & for freedom. Along with human rights, the wealth of Iran is being looted. TIME FOR CHANGE!

even he has to mention the deal! Good job Obama, raising the stakes for that regime. Made promises they could never keep to their own people. 

 

[Nanker]

[Deranged Rhino]

44 when he read the new spin on his very bad, no good, terrible deal: 

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https://www.timesofisrael.com/report-us-gives-israel-go-ahead-to-kill-powerful-iranian-general/

[B-Man]

RANDOM THOUGHT, ONLY VAGUELY RELATED TO WHAT’S GOING ON IN IRAN:

 

For 50 years, U.S. military strategy centered around keeping the Straits of Hormuz open and the oil flowing. But now, thanks to fracking, all we really have to be able to do is to close the Straits if we want to. And that’s a lot easier.

 

by Glenn Reynolds 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

There's a lot of evidence out there the Iranians are getting help - mainly from Iranian military officers. 

 

This is (probably) regime change - from the people with the support of the US and GCC. 

 

If the Mullahs go down, as is looking possible if not probable, that's bye-bye Hezbollah. That's also the end of the Shia Sunni proxy terror war. It also paves the way for true peace in the region. Assad's support would go away, and (as I expect) he will resign/lose in a Syrian election this year. There'd be an honest chance for the Palestinians and Israelis to work something out long term.

 

Could be on the brink of something truly transformational for the region and world at large. Let's hope! 

 

Keep going, Iranians. You're still winning:

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

[DC Tom]

5 hours ago, B-Man said:

RANDOM THOUGHT, ONLY VAGUELY RELATED TO WHAT’S GOING ON IN IRAN:

 

For 50 years, U.S. military strategy centered around keeping the Straits of Hormuz open and the oil flowing. But now, thanks to fracking, all we really have to be able to do is to close the Straits if we want to. And that’s a lot easier.

 

by Glenn Reynolds 

 

For the past 30 years, we've only kept the Straits open for our allies, and to keep global supply up so as to keep prices relatively low.  

 

Closing the Straits still satisfies neither of those foreign policy goals.  We can't supply the world.

[Deranged Rhino]

If I were her, I'd be reading up on how to survive 5-10 on the inside rather than dishing out patently absurd (and ignorant) advice:

 

[Tiberius]

16 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

There's a lot of evidence out there the Iranians are getting help - mainly from Iranian military officers. 

 

This is (probably) regime change - from the people with the support of the US and GCC. 

 

If the Mullahs go down, as is looking possible if not probable, that's bye-bye Hezbollah. That's also the end of the Shia Sunni proxy terror war. It also paves the way for true peace in the region. Assad's support would go away, and (as I expect) he will resign/lose in a Syrian election this year. There'd be an honest chance for the Palestinians and Israelis to work something out long term.

 

Could be on the brink of something truly transformational for the region and world at large. Let's hope! 

 

Keep going, Iranians. You're still winning:

 

 

Hope you are right. A democratic Iran would such a benefit to the progress of the world. But the protesters appear leaderless, disorganized unarmed for the most part facing a vicious security force which has already put down bigger protests before. Every thugocracy in the world is pulling for the Mullahs

[B-Man]

@BarackObama That moment it hits you that you stayed out of the Mullah's & Putin's & Assad's way & ended up watching hundreds of thousands of people die in Syria & Iraq & Yemen & Ukraine to get your precious Iran Deal done.... ...and it was all for nothing.

 

[Deranged Rhino]

37 minutes ago, B-Man said:

@BarackObama That moment it hits you that you stayed out of the Mullah's & Putin's & Assad's way & ended up watching hundreds of thousands of people die in Syria & Iraq & Yemen & Ukraine to get your precious Iran Deal done.... ...and it was all for nothing.

 

 

Stayed out of the way... and had multiple federal law enforcement agencies look the other way while Hezbollah trafficked children, drugs, and weapons into the United States. 

 

Nothing will define his legacy more than this contradiction:

 

44 used the powers of his office to illegally target Christians and conservatives while simultaneously using the powers of his office to prevent law enforcement actions against Hezbollah operating inside the US. 

 

44, and his cohorts, backed the wrong horse. 

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Nikki Haley speaking at the UN now... 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

This is something I've never seen... they're taking things from inside and burning them outside in an effort to reduce the damage. 

 

This is something people do who know they're winning...

 

More: 

 

 

They're shouting "Death to Khamenei" - a state crime - in the face of security forces and they do... nothing. 

 

Keep going, you're winning.

[GG]

On 12/31/2017 at 12:30 PM, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Hillary is not a neocon. She is a neoliberal. Most of all, she is an opportunist devoid of actual principles. 

 

She was the neocon choice in 2016. Backed by the neocon establishment in full. 

 

This is unarguable. 

 

The neocon agenda is NOT what is unfolding in Iran. Quite the opposite.

 

The neocons have been exposed for being nothing more than war hungry opportunists who have done nothing but bring instability and unspeakable collateral damage to the world at large. They're being shown the door and their destructive policy agendas have fallen out of favor - which is a very good thing for the world. 

 

That's a gross mischaracterization of the neocon thesis as it was laid out in the '90s.  When you read the papers put out at that time, they warned about a demographic and economic crises in the Arab world, that coupled with dynastic despotic families would surely drag the world into a global conflict.   

 

It's easy to criticize the events now that we know how they unfolded, but imagine a world with Bashar & the Mullahs sitting across Auday & Qusay playing with their toys.  Kim Jong would have nothing on the destruction those two could unleash.

 

If you care to take an objective look at everything that transpired between 2007 & 2009, you'd see that the strategy was finally starting to pay off after a horrific start.  Iraq was on its way to stability, Iran's despots were on the verge of toppling and a wave of reform was sweeping the region.   The only thing that could go wrong was for America to elect the one man who stopped all of that cold, and put things in reverse.

 

Kind of like putting Rex Ryan in charge of a team on the verge of the playoffs.

 

(BTW, I'm not to big to admit that I was very wrong about the Rex hire, because after a while the evidence is too overwhelming to think that he was anything but an incompetent buffoon) 

[DC Tom]

13 minutes ago, GG said:

 

(BTW, I'm not to big to admit that I was very wrong about the Rex hire, because after a while the evidence is too overwhelming to think that he was anything but an incompetent buffoon) 

 

I'm not too big to admit it either.  God, were you wrong.  What were you thinking?

[Koko78]

On 12/31/2017 at 5:17 PM, B-Man said:

 

 

Good work sir.

 

Everyone with three digits in their IQ knows that Gator's response, claiming credit for Obama is ASININE. 

 

There is no need to point it out.

 

 

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I'm waiting for the narrative that the unrest was caused by a youtube video.

[Deranged Rhino]

3 hours ago, GG said:

 

That's a gross mischaracterization of the neocon thesis as it was laid out in the '90s.  When you read the papers put out at that time, they warned about a demographic and economic crises in the Arab world, that coupled with dynastic despotic families would surely drag the world into a global conflict.   

 

It's easy to criticize the events now that we know how they unfolded, but imagine a world with Bashar & the Mullahs sitting across Auday & Qusay playing with their toys.  Kim Jong would have nothing on the destruction those two could unleash.

 

If you care to take an objective look at everything that transpired between 2007 & 2009, you'd see that the strategy was finally starting to pay off after a horrific start.  Iraq was on its way to stability, Iran's despots were on the verge of toppling and a wave of reform was sweeping the region.   The only thing that could go wrong was for America to elect the one man who stopped all of that cold, and put things in reverse.

 

Kind of like putting Rex Ryan in charge of a team on the verge of the playoffs.

 

(BTW, I'm not to big to admit that I was very wrong about the Rex hire, because after a while the evidence is too overwhelming to think that he was anything but an incompetent buffoon) 

 

The neocon agenda failed because it's incompatible with our form of government and completely ignorant of history. It hitched it's wagon to regime change through military means (direct and indirect), while ignoring the fact any true change would require decades of occupation unless it was organic. That's not something the American public and political process is not designed to sustain. 

 

So, a bunch of neocons headed by Cheney decided if the American constitution and political will of its people wouldn't allow their philosophy to flourish, then they'd just start changing the laws and scope of government (illegally) to get a new system which would support endless war and occupation. On top of that, they cut a lot of deals with very bad people to use as proxies - blowback be damned. 

 

The neocon agenda has NEVER been in the best interest of America because at its core it's fundamentally incompatible with our republic. 

 

44 messed up in a lot of ways. No question about it. But regime change of that nature, the one in Iraq, Syria, Libya et al was never going to work. It requires more stamina and more authoritarianism than the American people have the stomach for. 

 

For an example in effective regime change, I refer you to the past three months where we've seen it in KSA, Lebanon, and now Iran. All without a shot fired by US forces or a single bomb dropped. If you want true change, true peace, you have to first take the monsters off the board and their dirty networks rather than thinking you can work with and control these types of psychopaths. What's been different? They gutted State and CIA of neocon influences.

 

For examples in failure, look to Libya (that was right out of the neocon playbook despite being HRC's brainchild), Iraq, Syria... in fact, name ONE success the neocon philosophy netted the United States or its people. Name one! You can't... unless you own stock in few choice companies. Then, whoo-boy! You can make a great case for success. Sadly, war profiteering doesn't trickle down to the masses. 

 

Hubris and ignorance of reality is how the neocon fell in prominence. Their legacy is one of failure, bloodshed, and treason to this nation. 

Edited January 3, 2018 by Deranged Rhino

[Deranged Rhino]

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This (I think) is a distraction: 

 

Just speculation: Things are in a critical phase in Iran, I imagine the US is helping in various ways and this is a mighty big piece of red meat thrown to the press to get them spastic while operations are being run in Iran. 

[GG]

8 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

The neocon agenda failed because it's incompatible with our form of government and completely ignorant of history. It hitched it's wagon to regime change through military means (direct and indirect), while ignoring the fact any true change would require decades of occupation unless it was organic. That's not something the American public and political process is not designed to sustain. 

 

So, a bunch of neocons headed by Cheney decided if the American constitution and political will of its people wouldn't allow their philosophy to flourish, then they'd just start changing the laws and scope of government (illegally) to get a new system which would support endless war and occupation. On top of that, they cut a lot of deals with very bad people to use as proxies - blowback be damned. 

 

The neocon agenda has NEVER been in the best interest of America because at its core it's fundamentally incompatible with our republic. 

 

44 messed up in a lot of ways. No question about it. But regime change of that nature, the one in Iraq, Syria, Libya et al was never going to work. It requires more stamina and more authoritarianism than the American people have the stomach for. 

 

For an example in effective regime change, I refer you to the past three months where we've seen it in KSA, Lebanon, and now Iran. All without a shot fired by US forces or a single bomb dropped. If you want true change, true peace, you have to first take the monsters off the board and their dirty networks rather than thinking you can work with and control these types of psychopaths. What's been different? They gutted State and CIA of neocon influences.

 

For examples in failure, look to Libya (that was right out of the neocon playbook despite being HRC's brainchild), Iraq, Syria... in fact, name ONE success the neocon philosophy netted the United States or its people. Name one! You can't... unless you own stock in few choice companies. Then, whoo-boy! You can make a great case for success. Sadly, war profiteering doesn't trickle down to the masses. 

 

Hubris and ignorance of reality is how the neocon fell in prominence. Their legacy is one of failure, bloodshed, and treason to this nation. 

 

Dear lord, instead of typing all of that, all you had to do is type "Halliburton" 100 times and saved a lot of effort. 

 

Talk about a distorted view.