Trump foreign policy

[Buffalo_Gal]

36 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Do you believe it's the United States' job/mandate/mission to protect every single civilian in the world at all times?

 

Or do other countries have to take responsibility for waging war and the collateral damage it causes? 

 

 

 

So, I am OOT on vacation  with hubby and on this portion of the trip my SIL, and my SIL's friend (born British, now a Swiss citizen) have joined us, and holy cow, the friend thinks the US is responsible for policing, and paying for, all the world civilians protection.

 

It it is mind boggling that a US citizen can think that way, and completely detached from reality that a Swiss citizen should think US citizens should be paying in blood and treasure to police the world.

 

i have been biting my tongue a lot. 

Edited October 11, 2019 by Buffalo_Gal

[Deranged Rhino]

26 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Do you believe we have no responsibility for consequences of our own actions?

 

 

Thats, a dodge not an answer. We are still supporting the Kurds, and tending to our responsibilities. 

 

Unless you believe the question I posed and you dodged of course. 

 

Which is why I asked your opinion. 

[ALF]

US to deploy 3,000 additional troops to Saudi Arabia

Pentagon says troops and equipment are meant to boost Saudi Arabia's defences after attacks on its oil facilities.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/deploy-large-number-forces-saudi-arabia-report-191011160852019.html

[Azalin]

8 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

 

So, I am OOT on vacation  with hubby and on this portion of the trip my SIL, and my SIL's friend (born British, now a Swiss citizen) have joined us, and holy cow, the friend thinks the US is responsible for policing, and paying for, all the world civilians protection.

 

It it is mind boggling that a US citizen can think that way, and completely detached from reality that a Swiss citizen should think US citizens should be paying in blood and treasure to police the world.

 

i have been biting my tongue a lot. 

 

Hang in there. Have a few drinks, sit back, and just treat it all as entertainment. It's what I do. 

[Warcodered]

9 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Thats, a dodge not an answer. We are still supporting the Kurds, and tending to our responsibilities. 

 

Unless you believe the question I posed and you dodged of course. 

 

Which is why I asked your opinion. 

Not so much a dodge as I didn't think the situation you framed with your question was the same as the situation we were discussing but whatever.

 

To answer your question which isn't really a simple yes or no question, I'd say yes within reason. I mean the question really isn't simple at all as to what a government's job/mission is I'd say it's to take care of it's people and act out their will within and without. I mean if just randomly asked if we should protect people I'd feel morally obliged to say yes but the reality is the world is complicated and imperfect. I mean just operating blindly on the concept of helping and protecting people we'd be in North Korea and the unimaginable cluster ***** that would entail. So yeah the best answer I can think of for that is yes within reason.

10 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

Or do other countries have to take responsibility for waging war and the collateral damage it causes?

On this one person bearing responsibility for something does not magically absolve someone else from their responsibility.

 

Well good news everyone this move has worked flawlessly to remove hostages and prevent the worst case scenario

13 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

Turkey isn't the only active entity in the region. Russia's there, Iran's there, and all their proxies. If they pop off and take out a few of our troops -- what would the response be from the US? We'd have to respond. 

 

https://www.newsweek.com/us-troops-syria-turkey-1464727

 

Exclusive: Turkey Attacks US Special Forces in Syria, Apparently by Mistake

 

Well *****.

[DC Tom]

So we've moved on from complaining about the US abandoning the Kurds by removing forces from Syria, to Turkey attacking US forces in Syria alongside the Kurds?

[Chef Jim]

7 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

So we've moved on from complaining about the US abandoning the Kurds by removing forces from Syria, to Turkey attacking US forces in Syria alongside the Kurds?

It’s complicated Tom. ?

[Koko78]

48 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

So we've moved on from complaining about the US abandoning the Kurds by removing forces from Syria, to Turkey attacking US forces in Syria alongside the Kurds?

 

Yes. You are further expected to be appropriately outraged by this new development, while not forgetting to remain sufficiently outraged by the previous talking point.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Seriously, to HELL with that whole part of the world. Let them all murder each other, then whoever's left, we'll deal with. Get every American out of that region, TODAY.

 

[row_33]

Again, there is no possible easy answer except if one auto-hates every move by the US

 

 

[Bob in Mich]

Look, if the solution can't be chanted at a Trump rally, it's never going to work.

[SoCal Deek]

I’m sitting in a hotel in Amsterdam watching TV where a bunch of pompous Brits are talking about how the US needs to do something. Not once have they suggested that their own country should do a darn thing or spend a single British pound. Someone explain to me how this situation is a US problem again?

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, row_33 said:

Again, there is no possible easy answer except if one auto-hates every move by the US

 

 

 

 

....for how long and at what cost do we CONTINUE to be the global "Mother Protector"?.......how many BILLIONS in foreign aid have been usurped by corrupt governments?.....better yet, here we are trying to force feed the "world's greatest democracy" which Trump has woefully exposed as potentially and equally corrupt?.....the UN is THE biggest and most farcical (DIS)organization on the planet......bigger NYC squatters than SF's homeless......have no problem with him reigning in the fiscal drain.......

[DC Tom]

11 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m sitting in a hotel in Amsterdam watching TV where a bunch of pompous Brits are talking about how the US needs to do something. Not once have they suggested that their own country should do a darn thing or spend a single British pound. Someone explain to me how this situation is a US problem again?

 

The Brits did do something.  They created this whole mess.

[3rdnlng]

13 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m sitting in a hotel in Amsterdam watching TV where a bunch of pompous Brits are talking about how the US needs to do something. Not once have they suggested that their own country should do a darn thing or spend a single British pound. Someone explain to me how this situation is a US problem again?

When we beat the Axis (certainly with the help of Russia) we generally chose to help those countries out by rebuilding them instead of raping their women and forcing them to join our union. Germany and Japan looked at each other, winked and said "we've found our mark". Our generosity is expected even though we are scorned for having the capacity to be so generous. Trump is trying to get the EU, NATO and others to realize that they have to contribute to their own defense in a fair way. They are the delinquent renter who cries out against eviction because he never had to keep current with his rent before. Well, times are changing. The USA is not a lottery winner. We've earned our prosperity on the backs and blood of our forefathers. Let's not forget that we need to earn our progeny their freedom and prosperity by doing our part.

[SoCal Deek]

10 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

When we beat the Axis (certainly with the help of Russia) we generally chose to help those countries out by rebuilding them instead of raping their women and forcing them to join our union. Germany and Japan looked at each other, winked and said "we've found our mark". Our generosity is expected even though we are scorned for having the capacity to be so generous. Trump is trying to get the EU, NATO and others to realize that they have to contribute to their own defense in a fair way. They are the delinquent renter who cries out against eviction because he never had to keep current with his rent before. Well, times are changing. The USA is not a lottery winner. We've earned our prosperity on the backs and blood of our forefathers. Let's not forget that we need to earn our progeny their freedom and prosperity by doing our part.

All correct but what I find fascinating at this particular moment is that EU members couldn’t give a rats behind about Kurds. They’re all totally consumed with their own internal drama over Brexit. They want the US to take care of Turkey so they don’t have to spend a spare second worrying about what they’re going to do with the millions of refugees they fear will flood north into Europe. It’s selfishness on display in a grand scale!

[B-Man]

ROGER SIMON: Trump Makes Real Progress with China while Dems Play Impeachment.

It’s incumbent on us to find the better, more moderate parts of the regime and subtly encourage them (forming economic ties that work is one way) while still making sure that as Americans we see and sympathize with the cause of the democracy demonstrators. Thus far, Trump has done a rather accomplished job of this for a “diplomatic amateur,” letting his sharp criticism of the brainless, pandering comments of NBA managers Steve Kerr and Gregg Popovich–their absurd and stunningly ignorant claims of human rights equivalency between the USA and Communist China–make clear his feelings about the protestors in Hong Kong.

 

Meanwhile, the president publicly praises depots like Xi and Kim, much to the consternation of the CNNs of the world. It’s a strategy, obviously. It’s not clear the extent to which it will work. But if it does even some of the time, it’s miles ahead of what his predecessors ever did.

 

Read the whole thing.

 

 

 

 

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[OldTimeAFLGuy]

10 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

When we beat the Axis (certainly with the help of Russia) we generally chose to help those countries out by rebuilding them instead of raping their women and forcing them to join our union. Germany and Japan looked at each other, winked and said "we've found our mark". Our generosity is expected even though we are scorned for having the capacity to be so generous. Trump is trying to get the EU, NATO and others to realize that they have to contribute to their own defense in a fair way. They are the delinquent renter who cries out against eviction because he never had to keep current with his rent before. Well, times are changing. The USA is not a lottery winner. We've earned our prosperity on the backs and blood of our forefathers. Let's not forget that we need to earn our progeny their freedom and prosperity by doing our part.

 

...so why is it that so many cannot accept your eloquent assessment here?....how come?.......how many past administrations fraudulently talked the "tough talk" and did NOTHING?......how many candidates purported to be a "Washington outsider" who would clean up the mess if elected, only to be "Washington INSIDERS"?.... as if they would bite the hand that feeds 'em and turn the "good 'ol boyz network" upside down....so now we have one who has pissed off the progressives even more who hate us as the "world's bullies".....what the hell was O-Blah-Blah-Blah's "world apology tour" all about then?....to borrow Nicholson's line from "A few Good Men", "you (THEY) can't handle the TRUTH"...SMH.._

[3rdnlng]

2 minutes ago, B-Man said:

ROGER SIMON: Trump Makes Real Progress with China while Dems Play Impeachment.

It’s incumbent on us to find the better, more moderate parts of the regime and subtly encourage them (forming economic ties that work is one way) while still making sure that as Americans we see and sympathize with the cause of the democracy demonstrators. Thus far, Trump has done a rather accomplished job of this for a “diplomatic amateur,” letting his sharp criticism of the brainless, pandering comments of NBA managers Steve Kerr and Gregg Popovich–their absurd and stunningly ignorant claims of human rights equivalency between the USA and Communist China–make clear his feelings about the protestors in Hong Kong.

 

Meanwhile, the president publicly praises depots like Xi and Kim, much to the consternation of the CNNs of the world. It’s a strategy, obviously. It’s not clear the extent to which it will work. But if it does even some of the time, it’s miles ahead of what his predecessors ever did.

 

Read the whole thing.

 

 

 

 

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While Trump is working hard on trying to improve our prosperity the Left is working hard on trying to subvert any progress. This while needing a tremendous boost in our economy to even gain a tiny bit of their proposed socialistic programs. "Realism", a word not in the Left's vocabulary.

[Deranged Rhino]

https://mobile.twitter.com/MarkSleboda1/status/1183066332901904390

 

FSA >>> AQ