Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted September 17, 2019 Posted September 17, 2019 On 9/17/2019 at 4:28 PM, Deranged Rhino said: True -- which is why we're in the position we're in with Iran now. Rhodes and Obama went through great lengths to make Iran happy at the expense of our own national security: Stuxnet Operation Cassandra Hamas Bomb material depots in Britain and the US DOJ/FBI/IC all ordered to look the other way. Why? The Mullahs paid. Expand Trump's the one that got us to this point. He literally begged Iran to get back into Obama's deal. <------- Remember!
Deranged Rhino Posted September 17, 2019 Posted September 17, 2019 He's not. Obama sold out the country's security and global stability to appease Iran. His policies (and Rhodes/Brennan/Clapper) is why we're here with Iran. Not Trump. Trump is fixing the issue the way it should have been addressed under Obama. If Obama wasn't compromised/sellout. 1
DC Tom Posted September 17, 2019 Posted September 17, 2019 On 9/17/2019 at 4:10 PM, Deranged Rhino said: Any experts out there want to chime in on what this means? Not something I'm all that familiar with. Expand Probably a readiness exercise. Those ships are held in 5-day readiness, they have to test that occasionally (annually or more frequently). Since those are all in CONUS, and this apparently doesn't involve any frontline prepositioning ships, it's probably nothing. Fun fact: the TS Golden Bear is actually a California State University campus. 1
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted September 17, 2019 Posted September 17, 2019 On 9/17/2019 at 4:28 PM, Deranged Rhino said: True -- which is why we're in the position we're in with Iran now. Rhodes and Obama went through great lengths to make Iran happy at the expense of our own national security: Stuxnet Operation Cassandra Hamas Bomb material depots in Britain and the US DOJ/FBI/IC all ordered to look the other way. Why? The Mullahs paid. No. We're doing this because Iran is the aggressor. Not us. Not the Saudis. Not Israel. Iran. They attacked. Not us. Expand Didn't Trump attack them by blockading them? Why did he do that? Then told them to stay in the deal he called worst ever? This is all on Trump. No worries, I mean he went to a campaign rally after this attack on the brutal dictatorship of Saudi Arabia.
Deranged Rhino Posted September 17, 2019 Posted September 17, 2019 On 9/17/2019 at 4:34 PM, DC Tom said: Probably a readiness exercise. Those ships are held in 5-day readiness, they have to test that occasionally (annually or more frequently). Since those are all in CONUS, and this apparently doesn't involve any frontline prepositioning ships, it's probably nothing. Fun fact: the TS Golden Bear is actually a California State University campus. Expand Thanks for that.
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted September 17, 2019 Posted September 17, 2019 On 9/17/2019 at 4:31 PM, Deranged Rhino said: He's not. Obama sold out the country's security and global stability to appease Iran. His policies (and Rhodes/Brennan/Clapper) is why we're here with Iran. Not Trump. Trump is fixing the issue the way it should have been addressed under Obama. If Obama wasn't compromised/sellout. Expand No, we were at peace with Iran and had them even let inspectors in. All our allies were with us, now? Not so much Trump is a colossal failure at foreign policy.
DC Tom Posted September 17, 2019 Posted September 17, 2019 On 9/17/2019 at 4:36 PM, Deranged Rhino said: Thanks for that. Expand Hell of a lot of lift capacity, though. Each Ro-Ro can carry roughly a battalion task force, which means that total activated force is theoretically enough to carry about two heavy divisions plus limited logistical support (a couple of weeks, maybe). Or, roughly speaking, the heavy component (minus airborne forces) of the invasion of Iraq. If it is something, we'll see other indicators: increased Marine training cycles, NG activation, movements to ports of these ships for loading (they're maintained at 5-day readiness, but not kept laden), sudden new orders cut for the amphibious fleet. I highly doubt we'll see any of that - that's a months-long lead time for the commitment of a force that would require as much tonnage as this activation represents. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted September 17, 2019 Posted September 17, 2019 On 9/17/2019 at 4:50 PM, DC Tom said: Hell of a lot of lift capacity, though. Each Ro-Ro can carry roughly a battalion task force, which means that total activated force is theoretically enough to carry about two heavy divisions plus limited logistical support (a couple of weeks, maybe). Or, roughly speaking, the heavy component (minus airborne forces) of the invasion of Iraq. If it is something, we'll see other indicators: increased Marine training cycles, NG activation, movements to ports of these ships for loading (they're maintained at 5-day readiness, but not kept laden), sudden new orders cut for the amphibious fleet. I highly doubt we'll see any of that - that's a months-long lead time for the commitment of a force that would require as much tonnage as this activation represents. Expand Any chance it could be both an exercise and a bit of a head fake for Iran?
GG Posted September 17, 2019 Posted September 17, 2019 On 9/17/2019 at 4:50 PM, DC Tom said: Hell of a lot of lift capacity, though. Each Ro-Ro can carry roughly a battalion task force, which means that total activated force is theoretically enough to carry about two heavy divisions plus limited logistical support (a couple of weeks, maybe). Or, roughly speaking, the heavy component (minus airborne forces) of the invasion of Iraq. If it is something, we'll see other indicators: increased Marine training cycles, NG activation, movements to ports of these ships for loading (they're maintained at 5-day readiness, but not kept laden), sudden new orders cut for the amphibious fleet. I highly doubt we'll see any of that - that's a months-long lead time for the commitment of a force that would require as much tonnage as this activation represents. Expand Remember the wayward post from an idiot on FB that claimed DoD ordered the entire L3 or Moog inventory a few months back?
DC Tom Posted September 17, 2019 Posted September 17, 2019 On 9/17/2019 at 4:51 PM, Deranged Rhino said: Any chance it could be both an exercise and a bit of a head fake for Iran? Expand Unlikely without other indicators. But it's Trump, and he's an idiot, so I have to admit it's possible he'd say "Let's activate the ready reserve, just to scare Iran!" without understanding that it is in no way going to scare Iran. So I can't say it's completely impossible, just unlikely and stupid. On 9/17/2019 at 4:54 PM, GG said: Remember the wayward post from an idiot on FB that claimed DoD ordered the entire L3 or Moog inventory a few months back? Expand No, I do not. I try not to recall facebook at all. 1
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted September 17, 2019 Posted September 17, 2019 On 9/17/2019 at 5:20 PM, Deranged Rhino said: Expand Oh goodie! And after they report it's Iran, then what?
DC Tom Posted September 17, 2019 Posted September 17, 2019 On 9/17/2019 at 10:53 PM, Hedge said: Expand Anyone mention yet that Aramco's planning an IPO before the end of the year? 1
Chef Jim Posted September 18, 2019 Posted September 18, 2019 On 9/17/2019 at 10:58 PM, DC Tom said: Anyone mention yet that Aramco's planning an IPO before the end of the year? Expand Was planning.
DC Tom Posted September 18, 2019 Posted September 18, 2019 On 9/18/2019 at 1:23 AM, Chef Jim said: Was planning. Expand Read today it was still on.
Chef Jim Posted September 18, 2019 Posted September 18, 2019 On 9/18/2019 at 2:11 AM, DC Tom said: Read today it was still on. Expand That should be a very interesting offering.
ALF Posted September 18, 2019 Posted September 18, 2019 (edited) Saudi promises 'material evidence' linking Iran to attack ( 10:30 AM EDT ? ) The Saudi defence ministry said it will hold a news conference at 14:30 GMT to present "material evidence and Iranian weapons proving the Iranian regime's involvement in the terrorist attack". Riyadh previously said preliminary results showed the attack did not come from Yemen. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/09/saudi-oil-attacks-latest-updates-190916102800973.html Edited September 18, 2019 by ALF
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