SoCal Deek Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: It must be tough for you, trying to think and all Democrats are really missing an opportunity to push for Green Energy here. How much do we spend defending the oil network? How much do we spend defending the oil network? Like what? We sell these countries planes and weapons. I’m guessing we ‘spend’ very little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: It must be tough for you, trying to think and all Democrats are really missing an opportunity to push for Green Energy here. How much do we spend defending the oil network? You criticize someone for not thinking on their own is one of the funniest things I’ve heard I a very long time. How about we continue to work on becoming energy self sufficient with the forms of energy we have now to make the ME as irrelevant as possible as opposed to completely changing how we produce energy. Which do you think is more feasible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: How much do we spend defending the oil network? Like what? We sell these countries planes and weapons. I’m guessing we ‘spend’ very little. You do remember the Iraq War, right? And all the military bases we have other there. Better to spend the money on improving ourselves instead. We can still sell them weapons though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 These extreme sanctions on Iran has them backed into a corner. Do they capitulate or disrupt the world oil supply ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: How much do we spend defending the oil network? Like what? We sell these countries planes and weapons. I’m guessing we ‘spend’ very little. Our taxes pay for the military spending. Military spending is very, very high and eats way too much of our tax dollars, imo. Employees and stock holders of defense contractors benefit from weapon sales to foreign countries. Most taxpayers see no actual return on these weapon sales to foreigners. One might say that we benefit because now 'our allies' can fight their own battles, sparing our personnel. I guess we will see if the Saudis retaliate or if they hire us to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 1 hour ago, ALF said: The damage Iran could do to the Saudi oil supply and shut down the Strait of Hormuz could devastate the world economy. They need to negotiate not escalate . You don't understand the mentality of the people we are dealing with. One doesn't hold out hope that you can negotiate peacefully with those snakes. They only understand one thing and the threat of causing them deep pain needs to be proven to them. That threat of deep pain can only be displayed by showing them enough smaller pain to convince them that they don't want more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 1 hour ago, ALF said: These extreme sanctions on Iran has them backed into a corner. Do they capitulate or disrupt the world oil supply ? The "extreme sanctions" are due to their extreme actions. They are a lawless country willing to disrupt the world's oil supply and commit piracy. They are financing terrorism. It's time to teach them a lesson that they'll never forget, not let them get nuclear weapons. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 1 hour ago, ALF said: These extreme sanctions on Iran has them backed into a corner. Do they capitulate or disrupt the world oil supply ? Backing an opponent into a corner almost forces them to lash out. That's just basic human nature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Fact: Four out of the five vetoes Trump has issued have been over Saudi Arabia https://ballotpedia.org/Donald_Trump:_Vetoed_legislation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 39 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: The "extreme sanctions" are due to their extreme actions. They are a lawless country willing to disrupt the world's oil supply and commit piracy. They are financing terrorism. It's time to teach them a lesson that they'll never forget, not let them get nuclear weapons. If Iran seriously cuts the world's oil supply due to sanctions will Trump be re-elected ? The rest of the world will blame him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 2 hours ago, TH3 said: SA - home of the 9-11 terrorists.....and peace and stability LOL Now do Iran... we will wait. 4 minutes ago, ALF said: If Iran seriously cuts the world's oil supply due to sanctions will Trump be re-elected ? The rest of the world will blame him. They won’t. The mullahs will fold first. They’re desperate not because they are strong but because they have no strength left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 15 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: They won’t. The mullahs will fold first. They’re desperate not because they are strong but because they have no strength left. If Saudis retaliate anything can happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 31 minutes ago, ALF said: If Iran seriously cuts the world's oil supply due to sanctions will Trump be re-elected ? The rest of the world will blame him. First of all, Iran can't do that on a permanent basis. Second, we are fast approaching a greater capacity for making up that production. Goody, more business for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 44 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Now do Iran... we will wait. What? Sanction them? We already did. Saudi Arabia is next? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) I don't know who posted this to thank: ? (I found it! Thanks @B-Man) Saudi oil attacks did not spark a US oil crisis. Thank Texas. "The world is not facing an oil crisis. Yes, half of Saudi Arabia’s daily production capacity was knocked out last week when facilities were damaged by airstrikes. Yes, if it takes many months for the Saudis to repair the facility, that could keep oil prices elevated. But there is no energy crisis, at least not today. No need for the U.S. military to secure oil in the Middle East for American consumption, no immediate need to tap emergency U.S. oil reserves, certainly no need to top off your gas tank today and hoard fuel in your garage. That’s because the world, and especially the U.S., has plenty of oil. The Saudis have enough reserves to keep their customers supplied for a month; the kingdom even told other OPEC countries to stand down in boosting production. And U.S. producers have the ability to quickly boost oil production thanks to fracking technology. Consider that the U.S. now produces more oil than Saudi Arabia" </snip> Edited September 17, 2019 by Buffalo_Gal 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 32 minutes ago, ALF said: If Saudis retaliate anything can happen. Fear not, truly. They've been kinetically fighting Iran and its proxies (with our help) for going on 2.5 years now. It's just not covered in the news. The attack by Iran was a death rattle, not the beginning of a new phase of instability. Their country has been in open revolution for over a year (again, not covered properly by western media -- ask yourself why), the people want the Mullahs gone and the GCC (which are our allies, led by KSA), Israel, and US forces have been wiping up Hamas and Hezbollah without fanfare, defanging Iran for precisely this reason. Their ability to retaliate -- short of all out war (which is what the establishment DC wants, the media wants, the DNC wants, and the Mullahs), there's not much left in the Iranian terror toolkit. And if they go the all out war route, it won't be Iraq 3. It won't be an invasion. It'll be a surgical strike(s) to wipe out the Mullahs and the IRGC. (And Israel will do the bulk of that with our spooky support.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Any experts out there want to chime in on what this means? Not something I'm all that familiar with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Fear not, truly. They've been kinetically fighting Iran and its proxies (with our help) for going on 2.5 years now. It's just not covered in the news. The attack by Iran was a death rattle, not the beginning of a new phase of instability. Their country has been in open revolution for over a year (again, not covered properly by western media -- ask yourself why), the people want the Mullahs gone and the GCC (which are our allies, led by KSA), Israel, and US forces have been wiping up Hamas and Hezbollah without fanfare, defanging Iran for precisely this reason. Their ability to retaliate -- short of all out war (which is what the establishment DC wants, the media wants, the DNC wants, and the Mullahs), there's not much left in the Iranian terror toolkit. And if they go the all out war route, it won't be Iraq 3. It won't be an invasion. It'll be a surgical strike(s) to wipe out the Mullahs and the IRGC. (And Israel will do the bulk of that with our spooky support.) People forget that KSA has a defense agreement in place with Israel, including overfly rights. And there's a reason Israel got operational F-35s early. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 34 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Fear not, truly. They've been kinetically fighting Iran and its proxies (with our help) for going on 2.5 years now. It's just not covered in the news. The attack by Iran was a death rattle, not the beginning of a new phase of instability. Their country has been in open revolution for over a year (again, not covered properly by western media -- ask yourself why), the people want the Mullahs gone and the GCC (which are our allies, led by KSA), Israel, and US forces have been wiping up Hamas and Hezbollah without fanfare, defanging Iran for precisely this reason. Their ability to retaliate -- short of all out war (which is what the establishment DC wants, the media wants, the DNC wants, and the Mullahs), there's not much left in the Iranian terror toolkit. And if they go the all out war route, it won't be Iraq 3. It won't be an invasion. It'll be a surgical strike(s) to wipe out the Mullahs and the IRGC. (And Israel will do the bulk of that with our spooky support.) So are we doing all this to Iran for Israel? Has Israel attacked the USA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 True -- which is why we're in the position we're in with Iran now. Rhodes and Obama went through great lengths to make Iran happy at the expense of our own national security: Stuxnet Operation Cassandra Hamas Bomb material depots in Britain and the US DOJ/FBI/IC all ordered to look the other way. Why? The Mullahs paid. Just now, Tiberius said: So are we doing all this to Iran for Israel? Has Israel attacked the USA? No. We're doing this because Iran is the aggressor. Not us. Not the Saudis. Not Israel. Iran. They attacked. Not us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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