plenzmd1 Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 Just now, Buffalo_Gal said: NK depends on China. I have no idea what Trump's plan is, but clearly Kim was pleased to see him. That smile on greeting seemed genuine. i am sure he is glad to see Trump..he gets legitimacy on the world stage meeting with the POTUS and being called a great man.. and gives nothing in return. As I say, i am not one who does not want Trump to succeed here,,i do. But i am not so sure he is going about it correctly 1
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said: i am sure he is glad to see Trump..he gets legitimacy on the world stage meeting with the POTUS and being called a great man.. and gives nothing in return. As I say, i am not one who does not want Trump to succeed here,,i do. But i am not so sure he is going about it correctly Even the MSM isn't beating Trump up for this diplomatic gesture. Give it 24 hours before you decide that this was a horrible thing to do, ok?
plenzmd1 Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 Just now, Buffalo_Gal said: Even the MSM isn't beating Trump up for this diplomatic gesture. Give it 24 hours before you decide that this was a horrible thing to do, ok? not saying it was horrible, but also not going to nominate for Peacemaker of the year is all. I had this debate on here 15 months ago when so many were proclaiming NK nuke free after the first summit..results and concrete agreements i will praise to the heavens
KRC Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 20 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: not saying it was horrible, but also not going to nominate for Peacemaker of the year is all. I had this debate on here 15 months ago when so many were proclaiming NK nuke free after the first summit..results and concrete agreements i will praise to the heavens I don't remember anyone here stating that NK was nuke free after the first summit. 1 1
3rdnlng Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 49 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: not saying it was horrible, but also not going to nominate for Peacemaker of the year is all. I had this debate on here 15 months ago when so many were proclaiming NK nuke free after the first summit..results and concrete agreements i will praise to the heavens Do you know who this guy was?
Deranged Rhino Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 56 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: not saying it was horrible, but also not going to nominate for Peacemaker of the year is all. I had this debate on here 15 months ago when so many were proclaiming NK nuke free after the first summit..results and concrete agreements i will praise to the heavens * No nuclear tests for over a year and a half (compare that to the amount of testing going on during the last two years of 44) * No testing of ballistic missiles (two tests of artillery this year, both prompted by China/US trade spat) * Remains of US soldiers continue to be returned * Hostages freed * South Korea and Japan have both called Trump the peace maker of the Peninsula Yeah... WHY CAN'T TRUMP DO MORE!? I love ya, Plenz, seriously But you're trying to hard on this one. The only hitch left is China -- and I don't think it's a coincidence this meeting happened immediately on the heels of Trump's/Xi's bilateral meeting at the G-20. China's not going to let the DPRK go until they get a deal they can live with on trade. 2
plenzmd1 Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 40 minutes ago, KRC said: I don't remember anyone here stating that NK was nuke free after the first summit. If you could go back to that thread..( i cant seem to find it), you will see plenty of folks on here accepting Trumps"Nuke Free" statement as gospel...if someone has better search skills on here bring that thread up now would be fantastic
/dev/null Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said: i get that the tests have stopped..and am happy for that. But even considering that, do you believe North Korea is somehow a lesser threat than it was 24 months ago? I mean Chamberlain had some great meetings with evil people too Would you feel better about Trump's diplomatic efforts if it involved pallets of unmarked foreign currency? 2
RochesterRob Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Even the MSM isn't beating Trump up for this diplomatic gesture. Give it 24 hours before you decide that this was a horrible thing to do, ok? If you watch the roundtable shows on TV which are inhabited by leftists plenzmd1's statement is the stock counter to Trump's interaction with Lil Kim. 1
plenzmd1 Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: * No nuclear tests for over a year and a half (compare that to the amount of testing going on during the last two years of 44) * No testing of ballistic missiles (two tests of artillery this year, both prompted by China/US trade spat) * Remains of US soldiers continue to be returned * Hostages freed * South Korea and Japan have both called Trump the peace maker of the Peninsula Yeah... WHY CAN'T TRUMP DO MORE!? I love ya, Plenz, seriously But you're trying to hard on this one. The only hitch left is China -- and I don't think it's a coincidence this meeting happened immediately on the heels of Trump's/Xi's bilateral meeting at the G-20. China's not going to let the DPRK go until they get a deal they can live with on trade. I was reacting to the post of "Peacemaker in Chief"...do you really believe the threat of the NK nuke progrtam has been reduced by a significant amount? 1 minute ago, /dev/null said: Would you feel better about Trump's diplomatic efforts if it involved pallets of unmarked foreign currency? I will never understand why Trump and Trump policy's cannot stand on their own merit...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 Just now, plenzmd1 said: I was reacting to the post of "Peacemaker in Chief"...do you really believe the threat of the NK nuke progrtam has been reduced by a significant amount? Yes. You're watching a movie on delay. That's what you have to wrap your head around. The DPRK was a controlled state. Controlled largely by two factions -- corrupt elements of the USIC and elements of the Chinese Communist party and their OC. The USIC assets have been cut out (look at Kim's brother, look at Eric Schmidt's visit to install an internet for them and remember who funded Google from the start). China has not let go of the DPRK in the same way the USIC has -- yet -- because they are dangling them as a bartering chip for trade talks. If you don't think there has been a change, why do you think Moon and Abe are signing Kim's praises? Do you think they're Trump lackeys? That look 3
plenzmd1 Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Yes. NO!!!? BTW, can you do that search to get us back in time to the thread on first summit? Edited June 30, 2019 by plenzmd1
Deranged Rhino Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said: NO!!!? BTW, can you do that search to get us back in time to the thread on first summit? You honestly believe there was less of a threat to world stability when Kim was setting off nukes every other day (300+ tests in the last year of 44 alone), threatening Seoul on a near daily basis and it's 20m population, and firing missiles at Japan -- than there is today when he's actively trying a diplomatic tact, something no one in his family has dared try before to this degree? 2 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: BTW, can you do that search to get us back in time to the thread on first summit? You want the NK War thread. And you're referencing people who said the deal was done (me). Which it has been. You're on delay. 1
plenzmd1 Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 11 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: You honestly believe there was less of a threat to world stability when Kim was setting off nukes every other day (300+ tests in the last year of 44 alone), threatening Seoul on a near daily basis and it's 20m population, and firing missiles at Japan -- than there is today when he's actively trying a diplomatic tact, something no one in his family has dared try before to this degree? You want the NK War thread. And you're referencing people who said the deal was done (me). Which it has been. You're on delay. i dont believe there is more threat today, i believe though it is damn near equal threat. Not sure what your last statement means..the thread was about the first summit in Singapore..and especially Trumps proclomatio that NK was moving forward no longer a nuclear threat,,there was some people drinking the koolaid pretty hard in that thread
Deranged Rhino Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: i dont believe there is more threat today, i believe though it is damn near equal threat. How do you square that? It's equal threat that the DPRK is no longer testing missiles, provoking their southern neighbors, taking hostages, and flinging missiles at Japan? How do you get there? Isn't it possible you're being blinded by your (perfectly fine opinion to hold) anti-Trump stance? 3 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Not sure what your last statement means..the thread was about the first summit in Singapore..and especially Trumps proclomatio that NK was moving forward no longer a nuclear threat,,there was some people drinking the koolaid pretty hard in that thread That thread had the stuff you're looking for. The search function on this site is darn near unusable for me -- but knowing the thread helps. I was just trying to help you out 1
3rdnlng Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: i dont believe there is more threat today, i believe though it is damn near equal threat. Not sure what your last statement means..the thread was about the first summit in Singapore..and especially Trumps proclomatio that NK was moving forward no longer a nuclear threat,,there was some people drinking the koolaid pretty hard in that thread I remember a general consensus from anyone not a flaming liberal that it was a good thing, but wasn't anything remotely similar to a sure thing. Sorta like it was a start, but I'll believe it when I see it. In other words, encouraged but skeptical. 3
Albwan Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 Clearly handshaking should be an impeachable offense. How ^&^%$^%^ dare he ! 2
3rdnlng Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Albwan said: Clearly handshaking should be an impeachable offense. How ^&^%$^%^ dare he ! He crossed a line there. 4
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Albwan said: Clearly handshaking should be an impeachable offense. How ^&^%$^%^ dare he ! ....fire McBeane...fire McDermott...fire Trump......all is fixed............ 1
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