Trump foreign policy

[row_33]

10 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Lynyrd is right, you are sliding into EII realm.

 

How does explaining a gross misrepresentation of Trump's comments equate to an opinion?

 

can't hear you........

 

all worked up over a bogus story and it isn't even 10am on a Monday.

 

grow up, do everyone in your actual life a true favour, s'il vous plait?

 

[Deranged Rhino]

It looks like a fist bump  

[row_33]

13 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

It looks like a fist bump  

 

awesome!!!

 

[plenzmd1]

30 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

I do because it's not the only source. I can even tell you some of the names of the former officials involved: Ben Rhodes, John Brennan, and Samantha Power. I can also tell you this has been happening for months, not once or twice. I can also tell you that more than one of those names are currently under active surveillance for exactly these kinds of seditious shenanigans. 

 

 

Kerry met in Paris with Iranian reps -- not once or twice, but multiple times and was photographed doing so. Kerry did so outside the bounds of official US channels, in violation of the Logan Act (if such a thing were ever used) and standard norms of statesmanship. 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-says-john-kerry-should-be-prosecuted-for-meetings-with-iranian-officials/2019/05/09/98c313c4-727d-11e9-9f06-5fc2ee80027a_story.html?utm_term=.f61b019766e2

 

It's a story we covered from multiple sources in the Deep State thread... 

 

 

 

He absolutely was spied upon, his guilty plea has nothing to do with the Logan Act or whether or not he was spied upon. He (likely) had a FISA out on him before Page, let alone the way he was illegally unmasked by Rice and Power (hey, there's that name again...). 

 

Flynn knew/knows where all the bodies are buried from the Obama administration, especially their unusual coziness with the Mullahs and his illegal weapons program to arm AQ affiliates in Syria. He was a threat, the threat. Thus he was taken out first. To quote McCabe: "First we ***** Flynn, then we ***** Trump."

 

 

 

 

Those are the photos of the delegation he met with and Kerry walking away. Taken in 2018 and shared on this site back in May of that year. 

 

 

Here's the Daily Beast, a left wing source, reporting on the same story: 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/team-obama-tells-iran-dont-escalate-dont-take-trumps-bait

 

As the Trump administration sent warplanes and an aircraft carrier to the Persian Gulf, a small group of former Obama administration officials reached out to their contacts in the Iranian government, including Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif. Their message to Iran: Don’t take Trump’s bait. Stay calm.

 

Conversations between former Obama officials and Iranian government officials have been ongoing since November 2016. Zarif, who visits the U.S. every year for the U.N. General Assembly in New York, usually meets with lawmakers, think tanks, journalists, and former officials when he is in town.

 

But the recent round of conversations, which took place over the phone and in person over the last two months, came as lines of communication between the U.S. and Iran, through intermediaries in Europe and elsewhere, deteriorated.

 

It's a real story. It happened. 

 

Now that we know it did, do you find it problematic? 

that report was an absolute joke...i mean awful. No sources quoted, an official picture of Kerry posted as some nefraious clandestine meeting, citing Flynn's meeting as somehow a meeting that did not tale place...just awful journalism and useless. 

 

Now the tweet you saying friend of a friend heard them talking, here is a picture of Kerry on a street, and another some Iranian dudes in a restaurant..proves he was doing what exactly? 

 

I am railing on the journalism and posting here from sites, networks like that that are just pure Trump propaganda machines. You want to cry about the propaganda from the MSM, that place takes it to a whole nother level . It is not a credible site or news organization.

Edited June 3, 2019 by plenzmd1

[row_33]

after the last President curtsied on foreign trips

 

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said:

that report was an absolute joke...i mean awful. No sources quoted, an official picture of Kerry posted as some nefraious clandestine meeting, citing Flynn's meeting as somehow a meeting that did not tale place...just awful journalism and useless. 

 

It was a follow up of other sources reporting the same story. The story is real. Discussed in this thread a few pages before I posted it. 

 

On 5/31/2019 at 7:14 AM, B-Man said:

 

 

Sounds like a Logan Act violation!................. Commence the wiretaps........

 

Just kidding they're democrats? ,

 

On 5/31/2019 at 7:23 AM, DC Tom said:

 

This, if not treason, is a hell of a lot closer to the definition of treason than anything Trump has done.  

 

 

 

 

1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said:

Now you saying friend of a friend heard them talking, here is a picture oik Kerry..proves he was ding what exactly? 

 

Kerry admitted to the meeting in May of 2018. It wasn't hearsay. They met in public, at a Parisian cafe. It was witnessed by dozens of people, not just one anonymous report. And there was art to go with it (pictures) which hit the web that very day. 

 

(Because Kerry is under surveillance because he's a dirty, dirty man)

 

3 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

I am railing on the journalism and posting here from sites, networks like that. You want to cry about the propaganda from he MSM, they takes it to a whole nother level there. It is not a credible site or news organization.

 

The story is accurate and correct. 

 

And you're dodging the question. Now that you know the story is real, regardless of how you feel about OAN, do you find it problematic?

[McGee Return TD]

4 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

that report was an absolute joke...i mean awful. No sources quoted, an official picture of Kerry posted as some nefraious clandestine meeting, citing Flynn's meeting as somehow a meeting that did not tale place...just awful journalism and useless. 

 

Now you saying friend of a friend heard them talking, here is a picture oik Kerry..proves he was ding what exactly? 

 

I am railing on the journalism and posting here from sites, networks like that. You want to cry about the propaganda from he MSM, they takes it to a whole nother level there. It is not a credible site or news organization.

 

The guy you're responding to is one of thousands of outlets of pro Trump propaganda. 

 

RETWEET RETWEET RETWEET!

[Deranged Rhino]

Someone still thinks this is about Trump. It's not and never has been. 

 

But when you can't argue facts, stick to delusions. And multiple screennames. 

[plenzmd1]

1 hour ago, GG said:

 

First off, congrats on fixing your script so that replies now work.

 

Second, do you think he was describing sexual assault, or the fact that as a celebrity he could have his way with women without impunity?   Do you wonder why a billionaire was amazed at what happens in his new orbit?  It's right there in the quote "And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything."     Note he said "they."  Who is the "they" who allows this to happen?

 

Thanks on fix!!!

 

And yes , I do believe he was describing sexual assault..what else could he be talking about? How would he know if he had not done that to someone? 

 

And sexual assaults happen to lots of women  "who let you do it"..which simply means they do not bring charges in this context, which in his mind meant " they let you do it" ..And yes, that  happens all the time with  people being afrain to confront the rich and powerful, thank goodness that is changing a bit now..

 

 

 

[GG]

2 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Thanks on fix!!!

 

And yes , I do believe he was describing sexual assault..what else could he be talking about? How would he know if he had not done that to someone? 

 

And sexual assaults happen to lots of women  "who let you do it"..which simply means they do not bring charges in this context, which in his mind meant " they let you do it" ..And yes, that  happens all the time with  people being afrain to confront the rich and powerful, thank goodness that is changing a bit now..

 

 

 

 

Let's put aside whether he was describing sexual assault because that is certainly not clear cut from the recording.

 

What is clear is his amazement of what he could get away with now that he was a celebrity star.   That should have been the scandal and why Billy Bush didn't push back on the conversation.  Billy Bush knew exactly what Trump was referring to (as did Matt Lauer, listening back in his office)

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, GG said:

 

Let's put aside whether he was describing sexual assault because that is certainly not clear cut from the recording.

 

What is clear is his amazement of what he could get away with now that he was a celebrity star.   That should have been the scandal and why Billy Bush didn't push back on the conversation.  Billy Bush knew exactly what Trump was referring to (as did Matt Lauer, listening back in his office)

 

It's amazing we're back to this story -- which broke before the election and people still voted for him. It's an irrelevant story, an "October Surprise" by the Clinton campaign and her media cutouts. But if that's where we are (again) in the cycle of outrage, then it's just further proof they've never had anything of substance to argue in the first place.

 

The outrage cycle: 

 

"Trump's a sexual deviant!"

into

"Trump's election was illegitimate because RUSSIA!"

into
"Trump committed treason by working with Putin to steal the election!"

into

"Trump's a Russian agent in the Oval Office!"

into

"Trump obstructed justice because he's working for Putin!"

into

"Okay... there was no collusion but we never said there was! That was Trump's term! He obstructed justice by thinking about firing Mueller!"

into

"We must impeach him -- not for treason, or being a sexual deviant -- but for obstructing an investigation into something which did not happen!"

back to

"Trump's a sexual deviant!"

 

 

 

[Q-baby!]

55 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Listen ***** face, my trite response was 1,000 better than the inane drunken contributions you've added to this board.

 

I always respond to threads that evoke that particular episode to dispel the myth that Trump made a misogynistic comment.  This is exactly how little lies turn into truth.  That is clearly a case where the message was grossly distorted and more attention should have been paid to the cravenous celebrity culture instead of Trump's badly phrased comment.   

 

Of course, I don't expect you to figure that out.  Now please regale us with the audits yo used to do in the 60's

 

 

Excuse me, but those type of responses are reserved for me. Thank you in advance! 

[plenzmd1]

31 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

It was a follow up of other sources reporting the same story. The story is real. Discussed in this thread a few pages before I posted it. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kerry admitted to the meeting in May of 2018. It wasn't hearsay. They met in public, at a Parisian cafe. It was witnessed by dozens of people, not just one anonymous report. And there was art to go with it (pictures) which hit the web that very day. 

 

(Because Kerry is under surveillance because he's a dirty, dirty man)

 

 

The story is accurate and correct. 

 

And you're dodging the question. Now that you know the story is real, regardless of how you feel about OAN, do you find it problematic?

I dont know the real story yet..and will not for a while. But certainly i will believe nothing from that source/network. California banning the sale of the Bible..cmon man.

 

You are so much better, and i learn a lot,  when you post from reputable sources and real things like you did above..but this is the same as posting something from INfowars..is just a useless source for anything.

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, plenzmd1 said:

I dont know the real story yet..and will not for a while. But certainly i will believe nothing from that source/network.

 

Multiple other outlets, including CNN, MSNBC, Fox news, and the Daily Beast have reported on it. It's a real story. It happened. Brennan was just on the Hill briefing democrats on this issue: 

https://thehill.com/policy/international/middle-east-north-africa/444457-dems-ask-former-cia-chief-john-brennan-for-iran

 

 

[plenzmd1]

16 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

It's amazing we're back to this story -- which broke before the election and people still voted for him. It's an irrelevant story, an "October Surprise" by the Clinton campaign and her media cutouts. But if that's where we are (again) in the cycle of outrage, then it's just further proof they've never had anything of substance to argue in the first place.

 

The outrage cycle: 

 

"Trump's a sexual deviant!"

into

"Trump's election was illegitimate because RUSSIA!"

into
"Trump committed treason by working with Putin to steal the election!"

into

"Trump's a Russian agent in the Oval Office!"

into

"Trump obstructed justice because he's working for Putin!"

into

"Okay... there was no collusion but we never said there was! That was Trump's term! He obstructed justice by thinking about firing Mueller!"

into

"We must impeach him -- not for treason, or being a sexual deviant -- but for obstructing an investigation into something which did not happen!"

back to

"Trump's a sexual deviant!"

 

 

 

I did not bring up, our good freind @leh-nerd skin-erd, did, so blame him?!!!!

[row_33]

so now you cannot be dismissed from an action where no crime occurred, because they can't come up with evidence that it didn't happen

 

so if a murder might have happened on your street, you cannot be dismissed from suspicion because you were at home alone watching the Cubs and don't have anyone to back up your alibli

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

4 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

I did not bring up, our good freind @leh-nerd skin-erd, did, so blame him?!!!!

 

I was speaking more about the national conversation. I've had several people bring that up recently in conversation after months of not hearing about it. 

[Nanker]

2 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

That report was a freaking joke, no two ways about it. Watch that clip and tell me one reason why i should believe anything that conspiracy mongering, right wing nut jobs say about anything. That is just atrocious reporting and fear mongering. 

 

 

You're being disingenuous if not right obstinately dishonest.

IT IS A REAL STORY. The BOSTON ***** GLOBE reported it - not some "conspiracy mongering, right wing nut jobs" saying it.

John Kerry has been conducting meetings with the Iranians to undermine the current administration. Face facts and deal with it @plenzmd1

That's a violation of The Logan act. 

 

“Washington(CNN)Former Secretary of State John Kerry has been engaging in shadow diplomacy to try to preserve the Iran nuclear deal, a major diplomatic achievement of his, according to a new report.

 

Over recent months, Kerry has been holding meetings and speaking with big players in the Iran nuclear agreement, who, like Kerry, do not want President Donald Trump to withdraw the US from the deal, The Boston Globe reported.”

 

[Nanker]

1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

I do because it's not the only source. I can even tell you some of the names of the former officials involved: Ben Rhodes, John Brennan, and Samantha Power. I can also tell you this has been happening for months, not once or twice. I can also tell you that more than one of those names are currently under active surveillance for exactly these kinds of seditious shenanigans. 

 

 

Kerry met in Paris with Iranian reps -- not once or twice, but multiple times and was photographed doing so. Kerry did so outside the bounds of official US channels, in violation of the Logan Act (if such a thing were ever used) and standard norms of statesmanship. 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-says-john-kerry-should-be-prosecuted-for-meetings-with-iranian-officials/2019/05/09/98c313c4-727d-11e9-9f06-5fc2ee80027a_story.html?utm_term=.f61b019766e2

 

It's a story we covered from multiple sources in the Deep State thread... 

 

 

 

He absolutely was spied upon, his guilty plea has nothing to do with the Logan Act or whether or not he was spied upon. He (likely) had a FISA out on him before Page, let alone the way he was illegally unmasked by Rice and Power (hey, there's that name again...). 

 

Flynn knew/knows where all the bodies are buried from the Obama administration, especially their unusual coziness with the Mullahs and his illegal weapons program to arm AQ affiliates in Syria. He was a threat, the threat. Thus he was taken out first. To quote McCabe: "First we ***** Flynn, then we ***** Trump."

 

 

 

 

Those are the photos of the delegation he met with and Kerry walking away. Taken in 2018 and shared on this site back in May of that year. 

 

 

Here's the Daily Beast, a left wing source, reporting on the same story: 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/team-obama-tells-iran-dont-escalate-dont-take-trumps-bait

 

As the Trump administration sent warplanes and an aircraft carrier to the Persian Gulf, a small group of former Obama administration officials reached out to their contacts in the Iranian government, including Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif. Their message to Iran: Don’t take Trump’s bait. Stay calm.

 

Conversations between former Obama officials and Iranian government officials have been ongoing since November 2016. Zarif, who visits the U.S. every year for the U.N. General Assembly in New York, usually meets with lawmakers, think tanks, journalists, and former officials when he is in town.

 

But the recent round of conversations, which took place over the phone and in person over the last two months, came as lines of communication between the U.S. and Iran, through intermediaries in Europe and elsewhere, deteriorated.

 

It's a real story. It happened. 

 

Now that we know it did, do you find it problematic? 

Who they supposed to believe - your details and facts, or their own true feelings? 

 

 

1 hour ago, McGee Return TD said:

 

The guy you're responding to is one of thousands of outlets of pro Trump propaganda. 

 

RETWEET RETWEET RETWEET!

Says 26CP.

 

[McGee Return TD]

4 minutes ago, Nanker said:

Who they supposed to believe - your details and facts, or their own true feelings? 

 

 

Says 26CP.

 

 

Am I 26CP, Gary, Beginner's Mind, Birdman, or Ben Franklin? Get together with your #deepstaters here and choose 1 so you're all on the same page.