Joe Miner Posted May 1, 2019 Posted May 1, 2019 1 hour ago, /dev/null said: did they close the airport? The last TV at the gym was looted.
Chef Jim Posted May 1, 2019 Posted May 1, 2019 16 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: And you won't hear them say a peep -- but for maybe Sanders. To be fair is this treatment of the citizens due to it being a dictatorship not socialism? 1
Tiberius Posted May 1, 2019 Posted May 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: To be fair is this treatment of the citizens due to it being a dictatorship not socialism? Yup
snafu Posted May 1, 2019 Posted May 1, 2019 10 hours ago, Hedge said: Manuel Ricardo Cristopher Figuera, the head of the Bolivarian Intelligence Service (SEBIN), is the highest-ranking member of the country's security forces to break with Maduro since opposition leader Juan Guaidó called for a military uprising Tuesday morning. The Bolivians were the last straw. That Figuera move put Maduro on the plane, and the Russians talked him off? “But, But BOLIVIA is gone!” ? The real issue are the Cubans. It seems that they’re so integrated into the military and security apparatus that most of the generals won’t make the leap to Guaidó. 6 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: To be fair is this treatment of the citizens due to it being a dictatorship not socialism? It can’t be both? Maduro is trying to preserve his form of government.
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 1, 2019 Posted May 1, 2019 U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo says U.S. military action in Venezuela is 'possible' Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said Wednesday that U.S. military action "is possible" in Venezuela to bolster opposition leader Juan Guaido's bid to oust President Nicolas Maduro. “The president has been crystal clear and incredibly consistent – military action is possible, if that’s what’s required – that’s what the United States will do,” Pompeo told FOX Business on Wednesday. </snip> 1
row_33 Posted May 1, 2019 Posted May 1, 2019 GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.......... YELLLLLLLLLLLLLLL-OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO JACKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chef Jim Posted May 1, 2019 Posted May 1, 2019 5 hours ago, snafu said: Maduro is trying to preserve his form of government. Yes. His dictatorship.
snafu Posted May 1, 2019 Posted May 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Chef Jim said: Yes. His dictatorship. There was no dictatorship in Venezuela before socialism was implemented.
Chef Jim Posted May 1, 2019 Posted May 1, 2019 14 minutes ago, snafu said: There was no dictatorship in Venezuela before socialism was implemented. So I guess the discussion is does Socialism breed dictatorship? And if so how have certain socialist countries such as the Scandinavian countries avoided dictatorship. Or have they?
row_33 Posted May 1, 2019 Posted May 1, 2019 44 minutes ago, snafu said: There was no dictatorship in Venezuela before socialism was implemented. i doubt that any country south of the US has been free of a dictatorship or socialism for the last 200 years of course the liberal play the Blame America First Card at every opportunity to excuse it all away
Chef Jim Posted May 1, 2019 Posted May 1, 2019 1 minute ago, row_33 said: i doubt that any country south of the US has been free of a dictatorship or socialism for the last 200 years Especially if you're a fan of the original Mission Impossible series. ?
snafu Posted May 1, 2019 Posted May 1, 2019 9 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: So I guess the discussion is does Socialism breed dictatorship? And if so how have certain socialist countries such as the Scandinavian countries avoided dictatorship. Or have they? Did the Scandinavian countries nationalize private industry, or were they always organized that way? Do the Scandinavian countries have confiscatory taxes so that a centralized government can redistrubute wealth as they see fit, whether the recipients have done anything to earn it, or were they always run that way? Do the Scandinavian countries practice price controls? Do they ration resources? Have they ever done those things? If these things weren't in place, and then were all of a sudden imposed, you will have pulled the rug out from under the citizenry. Those government actions go against human nature. Maybe these things are good for groups of people who want to live together communally, but the ideas can't be scaled up and placed upon the unwilling. And as long as people are resentful of confiscation, they will be unsettled. Eventually, the only way to keep order is to (a) have a strong police force, cowed citizens, and informants, then (b) bend the country's constitution (or laws) to rig the system to keep those running the show in power, and when that fails (c) enforce order.
row_33 Posted May 2, 2019 Posted May 2, 2019 Tough call on this one, keep it cool until the opposition leader is killed or hurt
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted May 2, 2019 Posted May 2, 2019 23 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said: U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo says U.S. military action in Venezuela is 'possible' C'mon, it's Venezuela. We zip in, we pick 'em up, we zip right out again. We're not going to Moscow. It's Venezuela. It's like going into Wisconsin. 3 1
row_33 Posted May 2, 2019 Posted May 2, 2019 33 minutes ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said: C'mon, it's Venezuela. We zip in, we pick 'em up, we zip right out again. We're not going to Moscow. It's Venezuela. It's like going into Wisconsin. Home by Christmas
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