gatorbait Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 11 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: It's not Trump who has the strategy. It's the people around him. Who are these people that are taking down the establishment and giving the country back to the people? Do you have links or is this inside info from your talks with people? Stephen Miller thought spraying on fake hair was a good strategy, please tell me he’s not one of them.
Tiberius Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 13 hours ago, Koko78 said: A list made for myopic dipschiffs. Seems right that you posted it. Damn, I know Trump is the first president ever to have turnover in his cabinet and all, but let's just take a step back from the ledge. Mattis resigned in protest over the total f up that is our foreign policy, but you don't care, you love Big Brother Trump.
Koko78 Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 13 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Mattis resigned in protest over the total f up that is our foreign policy, but you don't care, you love Big Brother Trump. Yeah, our disastrous foreign policy. I can't believe we let Trump invade or attack 7 countries like Obama! I'm amazed that we have survived Trump starting WW3, WW4, and WW5! I mean, isn't that what you dipschiff liberals were crying 2 years ago? That Trump was a warmonger who surrounded himself by generals? That he was going to get us into wars? Of course, you were also the dipschiffs who cried about sending troops to foreign countries. Now you're crying that he's bringing them home because Orange Man Bad. TDS is an endless source of hilarity.
TPS Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Yeah, our disastrous foreign policy. I can't believe we let Trump invade or attack 7 countries like Obama! I'm amazed that we have survived Trump starting WW3, WW4, and WW5! I mean, isn't that what you dipschiff liberals were crying 2 years ago? That Trump was a warmonger who surrounded himself by generals? That he was going to get us into wars? Of course, you were also the dipschiffs who cried about sending troops to foreign countries. Now you're crying that he's bringing them home because Orange Man Bad. TDS is an endless source of hilarity. The ME is a bi-partisan f-up. Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama (Clinton) doesn't matter. The perfect example of this war party is Bill Kristol, who is now a regular on MSNBC, that so-called liberal channel. Not when it comes to war... 1 1
GG Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 5 hours ago, Doc Brown said: I think back to the campaign where during one of the debates Trump committed Republican heresy for railing against the Iraq War and saying 9/11 happened under GW's watch after Jeb says his brother's policies made this country safe. The audience booed and Trump's poll numbers and primary victories increased. With the midterms over and Republicans getting crushed in the House, I think Trump's instinct is to go back to the policies that won him the nomination in order to win reelection which is an isolationist foreign policy position. To hell with the consequences as it's not our problem as long as we increase border security. The various comments about how the decision to withdraw troops from Syria and Afghanistan makes our country less safe and another 9/11 is coming by Graham (takes donations from defense contractors), Rubio, etc. was the same line of thinking that got us into Iraq in the first place. Not to mention the Patriot Act. Maybe I'm giving Trump too much credit, but I think he realizes his reelection chances hinge on him still being considered a pragmatic outsider who wants to dispel the idea the notion that he's part of the Republican establishment. Saying that ISIS is defeated is akin to someone else calling them the JV team. Nature abhors a vacuum, and the hasty exit from Syria could have the same repercussions to the untimely withdrawal from Iraq. History has proven that America ends up paying much more in lives and money when isolationist policies take precedence. It's too simplistic to think that the US foreign engagements are done solely to prop up the military industrial complex. Fact is whenever the US withdraws from world affairs, hundreds of thousands of innocents die. Nature abhors a vacuum, and more often than not, the global vacuum is filled by bad actors. 1
Tiberius Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Yeah, our disastrous foreign policy. I can't believe we let Trump invade or attack 7 countries like Obama! I'm amazed that we have survived Trump starting WW3, WW4, and WW5! I mean, isn't that what you dipschiff liberals were crying 2 years ago? That Trump was a warmonger who surrounded himself by generals? That he was going to get us into wars? Of course, you were also the dipschiffs who cried about sending troops to foreign countries. Now you're crying that he's bringing them home because Orange Man Bad. TDS is an endless source of hilarity. Mattis resignation was pretty clear, Trump is backing away, and has no interest in keeping the alliances with other free nations. If you have a Trump cry baby grip, let's hear your complaint about Mattis. We learned in the 1930's that the best way to stop a war is to be strong and involved. Not like Trumptards, ignorant and adversarial with allies. Not to mention sucking on Putin.
Deranged Rhino Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 13 minutes ago, TPS said: The ME is a bi-partisan f-up. Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama (Clinton) doesn't matter. The perfect example of this war party is Bill Kristol, who is now a regular on MSNBC, that so-called liberal channel. Not when it comes to war... Uniparty cabal. Same team, different jerseys. They're the ones being shown the door and the chaos it's causing has resulted in progressives and leftists embracing the neocon intellegensia because orange man bad. If they stepped back and took an honest look at what is transporting, they'd see there's a pragmatist, not an ideologue, in office. 14 minutes ago, GG said: Saying that ISIS is defeated is akin to someone else calling them the JV team. Nature abhors a vacuum, and the hasty exit from Syria could have the same repercussions to the untimely withdrawal from Iraq. History has proven that America ends up paying much more in lives and money when isolationist policies take precedence. It's too simplistic to think that the US foreign engagements are done solely to prop up the military industrial complex. Fact is whenever the US withdraws from world affairs, hundreds of thousands of innocents die. Nature abhors a vacuum, and more often than not, the global vacuum is filled by bad actors. Pulling 2000 troops (who weren't the tip of the spear) is not withdrawing from world affairs. The fight continues, just smarter. 1
Doc Brown Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 1 hour ago, GG said: Saying that ISIS is defeated is akin to someone else calling them the JV team. Nature abhors a vacuum, and the hasty exit from Syria could have the same repercussions to the untimely withdrawal from Iraq. History has proven that America ends up paying much more in lives and money when isolationist policies take precedence. It's too simplistic to think that the US foreign engagements are done solely to prop up the military industrial complex. Fact is whenever the US withdraws from world affairs, hundreds of thousands of innocents die. Nature abhors a vacuum, and more often than not, the global vacuum is filled by bad actors. I'm not saying it's the right policy. He does what's most political advantageous to him. He saw Obama pull troops out of Iraq (obviously in a much less chaotic way) after a similar whooping in the Midterms and get reelected.
B-Man Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 Tennessee’s Sen. Frank Niceley is unperturbed: ANOTHER UPDATE: From the comments: “Reminder: 151 House Dems voted against the waiver that was required to make Mattis the SECDEF in the first place. Now Dems pretend the military can’t run without him.” 1
TPS Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 4 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Uniparty cabal. Same team, different jerseys. They're the ones being shown the door and the chaos it's causing has resulted in progressives and leftists embracing the neocon intellegensia because orange man bad. If they stepped back and took an honest look at what is transporting, they'd see there's a pragmatist, not an ideologue, in office. Pulling 2000 troops (who weren't the tip of the spear) is not withdrawing from world affairs. The fight continues, just smarter. You must not follow true leftist who are criticizing those criticizing the withdrawal.
Deranged Rhino Posted December 24, 2018 Posted December 24, 2018 2 hours ago, TPS said: You must not follow true leftist who are criticizing those criticizing the withdrawal. I have only heard progressives lately bawl about the decision... After supporting it when it was Sanders platform. Its like you said, there isn't a true left and right, there's the uniparty and everyone else. The hatred of POTUS has blinded otherwise sane and intelligent left leaning or centrist folks to embrace the neocon and neoliberal sect without a second thought. Frum and Kristol are now heroes on the left. As was W when he spoke out against 45. As was Cheney when he did the same. TDS is bad for the system.
TPS Posted December 24, 2018 Posted December 24, 2018 15 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: I have only heard progressives lately bawl about the decision... After supporting it when it was Sanders platform. Its like you said, there isn't a true left and right, there's the uniparty and everyone else. The hatred of POTUS has blinded otherwise sane and intelligent left leaning or centrist folks to embrace the neocon and neoliberal sect without a second thought. Frum and Kristol are now heroes on the left. As was W when he spoke out against 45. As was Cheney when he did the same. TDS is bad for the system. Greenwood and Aaron Mate are two lefties I follow that are criticizing those on the left who are critical of the Syria decision. Reps Lieu and Khanna have supported it. That said, there are more who can't get past that it's Trump. frum and kristol are not heroes of the left. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted December 24, 2018 Posted December 24, 2018 43 minutes ago, TPS said: Greenwood and Aaron Mate are two lefties I follow that are criticizing those on the left who are critical of the Syria decision. Reps Lieu and Khanna have supported it. That said, there are more who can't get past that it's Trump. frum and kristol are not heroes of the left. I disagree with the last sentence based on the time they get now on MSNBC and in ink in otherwise left leaning sources.
TPS Posted December 24, 2018 Posted December 24, 2018 MSNBC is pure propaganda at this point and pro war. 1
B-Man Posted December 24, 2018 Posted December 24, 2018 45 minutes ago, TPS said: MSNBC is pure propaganda at this point and pro war.
Deranged Rhino Posted December 24, 2018 Posted December 24, 2018 https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2018/12/24/trump-the-disrupter-pivots-back-to-trumpism-and-the-establishment-freaks-out-n2537978 1
Deranged Rhino Posted December 24, 2018 Posted December 24, 2018 https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1077253411358326785 MBS is the answer to a lot of problems in the region in terms of our foreign policy. That's why he was a threat to the military industrial complex and has been framed as an enemy. He's not our enemy. He's the enemy of the MiC and the establishment class in both DC and the ME.
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