3rdnlng Posted December 10, 2018 Posted December 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Nanker said: Yes! I revere them and am fond of putting them ya pedestal! You're supposed to put your pedestal in them. It's more fun that way.
Koko78 Posted December 10, 2018 Posted December 10, 2018 15 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said: That's a mistake. This will go worse for him than Jimmy Carter's 'malaise' speech.
Buffalo_Gal Posted December 10, 2018 Posted December 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Koko78 said: That's a mistake. This will go worse for him than Jimmy Carter's 'malaise' speech. He's up a creek without a paddle. When French citizens bestir themselves enough to actually protest, things are dire.
B-Man Posted December 10, 2018 Posted December 10, 2018 France protests and the ´yellow vests’ deep anger reveal the hypocrisy at the heart of the green agenda by Jarrett Stepman Original Article
Koko78 Posted December 10, 2018 Posted December 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said: He's up a creek without a paddle. When French citizens bestir themselves enough to actually protest, things are dire. True, but there are better ways to completely cave while saving face and spinning it to your political advantage.
Koko78 Posted December 10, 2018 Posted December 10, 2018 28 minutes ago, bbb said: Do the yellow vests only protest on weekends? It is France. They protest 14 hours per week, and take 8 weeks off in the Summer. 2 1
3rdnlng Posted December 10, 2018 Posted December 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, Koko78 said: It is France. They protest 14 hours per week, and take 8 weeks off in the Summer. This is why they don't want free trade. Their social programs and liberal time off makes them unable to compete against us.
Tiberius Posted December 12, 2018 Posted December 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: Trump's people love raising concerns and fears. So you follow Trump's entire cabinet on twitter??
Chef Jim Posted December 12, 2018 Posted December 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: I still have no flipping idea as to why we even care what the ***** happens in the ME.
keepthefaith Posted December 12, 2018 Posted December 12, 2018 22 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: I still have no flipping idea as to why we even care what the ***** happens in the ME. If we could hack off Israel and move it to a spot in the Caribbean or closer to Bermuda we'd care a lot less.
Chef Jim Posted December 12, 2018 Posted December 12, 2018 Just now, keepthefaith said: If we could hack off Israel and move it to a spot in the Caribbean or closer to Bermuda we'd care a lot less. I knew that many would respond with this. I gotta ask. Why do we, at this point in history, give a flip about Israel? What have they done to improve my life?
GG Posted December 12, 2018 Posted December 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: I knew that many would respond with this. I gotta ask. Why do we, at this point in history, give a flip about Israel? What have they done to improve my life? 4 1
keepthefaith Posted December 13, 2018 Posted December 13, 2018 On 12/12/2018 at 2:25 PM, Chef Jim said: I knew that many would respond with this. I gotta ask. Why do we, at this point in history, give a flip about Israel? What have they done to improve my life? We have a history as a nation of defending democratic nations that are threatened by *****. One man's opinion. https://www.businessinsider.com/us-israel-allies-2017-2
Chef Jim Posted December 13, 2018 Posted December 13, 2018 2 hours ago, keepthefaith said: We have a history as a nation of defending democratic nations that are threatened by *****. One man's opinion. https://www.businessinsider.com/us-israel-allies-2017-2 Yes we have that history. But let's think about it. How has loss of life and treasure defending the Israeli democracy improved the life of Joe Average here in the US? If we said "***** it, you're on your own" how would that harm us? If we pulled out completely from the ME how would that harm us? We are now the world's largest producer of crude oil. Now that doesn't mean we don't rely on oil from the ME too but if we were ever to become nearly 100% energy self sufficient would we need any presence in the ME? I'm obviously very naive regarding all this but if we left the ME to themselves, let them ***** themselves up how would that hurt us? Or would it not hurt us at all but instead help us.
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 13, 2018 Posted December 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Chef Jim said: Yes we have that history. But let's think about it. How has loss of life and treasure defending the Israeli democracy improved the life of Joe Average here in the US? If we said "***** it, you're on your own" how would that harm us? If we pulled out completely from the ME how would that harm us? We are now the world's largest producer of crude oil. Now that doesn't mean we don't rely on oil from the ME too but if we were ever to become nearly 100% energy self sufficient would we need any presence in the ME? I'm obviously very naive regarding all this but if we left the ME to themselves, let them ***** themselves up how would that hurt us? Or would it not hurt us at all but instead help us. The world abhors a power vacuum, and bad actors will rush to fill it. The world is safer for Americans when America is best able to exert it's influence and project it's power around the globe, especially in hostile regions. Israel is our strategic foothold in a region of immense economic and geopolitical importance. 1
Chef Jim Posted December 13, 2018 Posted December 13, 2018 9 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: The world abhors a power vacuum, and bad actors will rush to fill it. The world is safer for Americans when America is best able to exert it's influence and project it's power around the globe, especially in hostile regions. Israel is our strategic foothold in a region of immense economic and geopolitical importance. I get this but I will remind you that the part in bold is why we had 9/11 and other terrorist acts around the globe. I don't care if bad actors rush in. The ME has been full of bad actors for a very long time. As long as we contain them how will they hurt us? Yeah the whole nuke thing in troublesome. And what would be the true economic damage to the US if we let them eat themselves?
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 13, 2018 Posted December 13, 2018 Just now, Chef Jim said: I get this but I will remind you that the part in bold is why we had 9/11 and other terrorist acts around the globe. I don't care if bad actors rush in. The ME has been full of bad actors for a very long time. As long as we contain them how will they hurt us? Yeah the whole nuke thing in troublesome. And what would be the true economic damage to the US if we let them eat themselves? It's a globally interconnected economy. The US is the worlds largest oil producer, but prices are lower, and more stable (both things which are better for American business and consumers) when the US is the largest producer in an even larger global market. And it's not bad actors in the ME I'm talking about. It's the Russias and Chinas of the world who will flow into any space we vacate. While we occupy those spaces we can exert outsized influence on the world, and the world is better, and Americans are better off when we do. Someone will fill any void we make, and they won't have our best interests in mind.
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