DC Tom Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: Yeah - JASSM are not new. Just first time they didn't have nukes attached to them (from my understanding). Incredibly effective against modern air defenses though, and can be carried by all our strategic bombers. Nope, they've always been conventionally armed. DoD has looked at the JASSM-ER for replacing the ALCM, but the AGM-158 was always intended to be a conventional weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 21 minutes ago, DC Tom said: That's likely almost all Mattis' doing. Without a doubt it is the DoD's planning that was allowed by POTUS. This president isn't about to dictate to the military how they do the things that he wants accomplished. He doesn't have the immense experience as a community organizer that allowed his predecessor to outmaneuver our opponents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: Without a doubt it is the DoD's planning that was allowed by POTUS. This president isn't about to dictate to the military how they do the things that he wants accomplished. He doesn't have the immense experience as a community organizer that allowed his predecessor to outmaneuver our opponents. You knock his community organizing background as relates to military prowess, but Hezbollah never enjoyed more success organizing in our domestic communities than under President Obama. He got that **** done. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 The world is outraged at Trumps att................(oh wait) maybe not UN Security Council rejects Russian condemnation of Syria strike by Joel Gehrke Original Article . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 1 hour ago, B-Man said: The world is outraged at Trumps att................(oh wait) maybe not UN Security Council rejects Russian condemnation of Syria strike by Joel Gehrke Original Article Don't think the Russians were expecting most of the rest of the Security Council to reject their disingenuous horseschiff. Hell, they don't even get to complain that the US, UK, and France needed to use their respective vetoes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 Statement by the Ambassador Antonov on the strikes on #Syria: "A pre-designed scenario is being implemented. Again, we are being threatened. We warned that such actions will not be left without consequences. All responsibility for them rests with Washington, London and Paris." . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 I was told by its initial Commanding Officer that the U.S.S. Winston Churchill was to be attached to the NATO Command. It’s an impressive ship. I was in a group from Stevens that we’re given a tour of the ship before its first shakedown. It was tied up in Brooklyn at the time. Our Dean was a former Asst Secretary of the Navy under Bill and he arranged for the tour. It was after the Cole bombing but before 911. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 Quote Susan Rice -Archived ✔@AmbRice44 Important achievement: removal of last 8 percent of declared chem weapons precursors from Syria 9:34 AM - Jun 24, 2014 Declared...... . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 John Kerry said so, so it was infallible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 New York Magazine is flummoxed that Trump wrote "Mission Accomplished!" Donald J. Trump ✔@realDonaldTrump A perfectly executed strike last night. Thank you to France and the United Kingdom for their wisdom and the power of their fine Military. Could not have had a better result. Mission Accomplished! 8:21 AM - Apr 14, 2018 New York Magazine hyperventilates: Is Trump really unaware of “Mission Accomplished”s history and implications? Or is he just demonstrating that no matter what ahistorical thing he says, no matter how ignorant he demonstrates himself to be, no matter how much he contradicts himself, he’ll still be labeled presidential for ordering an airstrike, while retaining an approval rating in the high 30s? It’s probably the first one, but there’s really no way of knowing. You forgot the third option: Trump is completely aware of how Bush was punched around for using that phrase in a celebration of a specific mission that in fact was accomplished, and he would like the naysayers to come after him the way they came after Bush, and when they do, he'll show us all how to handle that kind of anti-military negativity. . . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, B-Man said: New York Magazine is flummoxed that Trump wrote "Mission Accomplished!" Donald J. Trump ✔@realDonaldTrump A perfectly executed strike last night. Thank you to France and the United Kingdom for their wisdom and the power of their fine Military. Could not have had a better result. Mission Accomplished! 8:21 AM - Apr 14, 2018 New York Magazine hyperventilates: Is Trump really unaware of “Mission Accomplished”s history and implications? Or is he just demonstrating that no matter what ahistorical thing he says, no matter how ignorant he demonstrates himself to be, no matter how much he contradicts himself, he’ll still be labeled presidential for ordering an airstrike, while retaining an approval rating in the high 30s? It’s probably the first one, but there’s really no way of knowing. You forgot the third option: Trump is completely aware of how Bush was punched around for using that phrase in a celebration of a specific mission that in fact was accomplished, and he would like the naysayers to come after him the way they came after Bush, and when they do, he'll show us all how to handle that kind of anti-military negativity. . . I was just about to start a thread about this, so thanks for the lead-in. Bush never claimed "Mission Accomplished". There was a banner on the aircraft carrier stating that but Bush stressed that there was a ways to go in his speech. The media was the one that made a big deal out of it after the insurgency. See below: The Mission Accomplished speech (named from a banner displayed above the speaker) was a televised address by United States President George W. Bush on the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln on May 1, 2003. The name became central in the controversy that followed. Although Bush stated at the time "Our mission continues" and "We have difficult work to do in Iraq," he also stated that it was the end to major combat operations in Iraq. Bush never uttered the phrase "Mission Accomplished";[2] a banner stating "Mission Accomplished" was used as a backdrop to the speech. Bush's assertion—and the sign itself—became controversial after guerrilla warfare in Iraq increased during the Iraqi insurgency. The vast majority of casualties, both military and civilian, occurred after the speech.[3] _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ The banner stating "Mission Accomplished" was a focal point of controversy and criticism. Navy Commander and Pentagon spokesman Conrad Chun said the banner referred specifically to the aircraft carrier's 10-month deployment (which was the longest deployment of a carrier since the Vietnam War) and not the war itself, saying "It truly did signify a mission accomplished for the crew."[9] The White House claimed that the banner was requested by the crew of the ship, who did not have the facilities for producing such a banner. Afterward, the administration and naval sources stated that the banner was the Navy's idea, White House staff members made the banner, and it was hung by the U.S. Navy personnel. White House spokesman Scott McClellan told CNN, "We took care of the production of it. We have people to do those things. But the Navy actually put it up."[10] According to John Dickerson of Time magazine, the White House later conceded that they hung the banner but still insists it had been done at the request of the crew members.[11] Whether meant for the crew or not, the general impression created by the image of Bush under the banner has been criticized as premature, especially later as the guerrilla war began. Subsequently, the White House released a statement saying that the sign and Bush's visit referred to the initial invasion of Iraq. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_Accomplished_speech Edited April 15, 2018 by 3rdnlng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 PROJECT WE MUST! How Much Are Chris Matthews and the Rest of MSNBC Talking About “Wag the Dog”? (Video.) Once they’re called on it, they’ll try to ex post facto nuance it up, but what they believe they’ve already said. And their fans and viewers are saying it on social media and in blogs and articles. It is in the early stages of becoming a Known Fact. Just watch. In a year it will be treated as “common knowledge” that three world powers launched a military attack following a chemical weapons horror all for the sake of distracting the American population from a Trump scandal that he himself constantly draws attention to. Because that is how dumb sh** is these days. As T. Becket Adams wrote last week, “The 2016 election broke some people in media.” . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 It's amazing to see the panic in the MSM. None of the old dirty tricks stick to Trump. He's a tank, or better, a battering ram that just keeps coming. Which, of course, is why he was selected for this operation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 50 minutes ago, B-Man said: PROJECT WE MUST! How Much Are Chris Matthews and the Rest of MSNBC Talking About “Wag the Dog”? (Video.) Once they’re called on it, they’ll try to ex post facto nuance it up, but what they believe they’ve already said. And their fans and viewers are saying it on social media and in blogs and articles. It is in the early stages of becoming a Known Fact. Just watch. In a year it will be treated as “common knowledge” that three world powers launched a military attack following a chemical weapons horror all for the sake of distracting the American population from a Trump scandal that he himself constantly draws attention to. Because that is how dumb sh** is these days. As T. Becket Adams wrote last week, “The 2016 election broke some people in media.” . One of the things I don't really get, is how everyone COMPLETELY ignores May and Macron actively committing their militaries to this to push this "wag the dog" story. At what point to they start reporting that May and Macron are in Putin's pocket with Trump, to conspire in bombing Putin's allies? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 16 minutes ago, DC Tom said: One of the things I don't really get, is how everyone COMPLETELY ignores May and Macron actively committing their militaries to this to push this "wag the dog" story. At what point to they start reporting that May and Macron are in Putin's pocket with Trump, to conspire in bombing Putin's allies? TRUMP PUTIN 2020 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said: TRUMP PUTIN 2020 Wrong order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 Just now, thebug said: Wrong order. Trump is Putin's daddy, sorta like I am your daddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 14 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Trump is Putin's daddy, sorta like I am your daddy. Puppets......boda yous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 1 hour ago, DC Tom said: One of the things I don't really get, is how everyone COMPLETELY ignores May and Macron actively committing their militaries to this to push this "wag the dog" story. At what point to they start reporting that May and Macron are in Putin's pocket with Trump, to conspire in bombing Putin's allies? TDS is a hell of a thing. The logical knots people suffering from it have to tie their arguments in is never ending entertainment. Remember, just a week ago they were pushing that both Bolton and Pompeo were Putin flunkies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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