metzelaars_lives Posted December 21, 2016 Posted December 21, 2016 (edited) Just wanted to make sure people know that I don't think Kenny is a bad guy or that the ketchup and mustard routine is nothing but goofy, even positive energy. I just think that the staunch defenders may have been around it long enough that they don't realize just how bizarre it seems to someone who is not familiar with the ritual. Like try explaining it to someone who has no idea about it sometime. And also, yes, how in god's name can the cleanup only take four minutes!?! Edited December 21, 2016 by metzelaars_lives
Jamie Nails Posted December 21, 2016 Posted December 21, 2016 Look for a Jamie nails appearance. Not the fat former guard. A 34 year old Caucasian from California
Jauronimo Posted December 21, 2016 Posted December 21, 2016 I respect Kenny's dedication- that he goes to every game and such- but am I the only one who finds the ketchup and mustard part of his shtick more than a little moronic? Like it's not funny, it's just bizarre. He doesn't have to do that to be a tailgate legend, he already is one. What is he thinking and feeling when he's cleaning up after doing it? The whole thing is just weird. Like I'll go on a diatribe to a non-Bills fan about how legendary Bills tailgating is and then I get to that part of it and people will respond with simple questions like "why?" and I have no answers for them. I can't be the only one who feels this way. Like so many traditions, you can ask: "Is it fun" - Probably not for Kenny "Does it make sense?" - No "Is it necessary?" - No But people often remember to ask "Is it important?". I hope this helps.
hondo in seattle Posted December 21, 2016 Posted December 21, 2016 I know Kenny fairly well, spending time with him on Saturday's, Sundays, after everyone has left the lot we do a cool down/reflection of the day at the BTI and I did his roof on his house. Kenny does the K&M for the tailgaters. They would be disappointed if he stop it and Kenny is to nice of a guy to do that. The K&M leds into a group rally with the Bills Shout song playing and the tailgating family dancing. Kenny confided to me last game. A woman came up to him, placed a small container of her husband ashes in his pocket so that he could be part of the K&M. And yes you have to witness it. It never gets old. Don't forget to dance. Great response.
Hammered a Lot Posted December 21, 2016 Posted December 21, 2016 (edited) Uhhhh, I think I saw Hammer in there? And, for the record, the entire Vermont crew was stoked to see that cameo! Can't wait to see the full show, I think I'm in the background a bit since I was dragging them around the Lot to the good food before the K&M ceremony... Sorry to say I beat you to it as after they wired me up Mead and the TBD crew was the very next stop. Kenny and his brother Tom has the cleanup down pat. Right after Kenny is done with the photo ops, Tom dressed in a rain coat pours "Warm" water on shirtless Kenny. Is there a mild detergent in the water I do not know but one would think as after I did the K&M once it was a B word cleaning up with cold water from the outside faucet at my house. What does that mean? Kids read so many books and reach a goal, they get to spray ketchup on the teacher or principal.! Also I know the crew was at a couple of places (Bar Bill for Beef on Weck, Louie's Hot Dogs, cd release party For a Hard Core Punk Band 👎) so the episode will be more than about tailgating. Edited December 23, 2016 by Hammered a Lot
boyst Posted December 21, 2016 Posted December 21, 2016 I'm in this. A few times. Yyyyeaaaah. And I know quite a few others. Tip: we are in the tent. And one lovely lady helped introduce him to the corn dipper
GottaRun Posted December 22, 2016 Posted December 22, 2016 I'm 4 or 5 cars up from the ketchup and mustard every home game, have been for ages. I've seen the ceremony enough that I don't really watch it anymore, instead I watch the people around it. It's fun to watch the reactions, people get excited, cellphones are out taking pictures, people want photos with Kenny, the crowd cheers. Fans that may only make it to a handful of Bills games in their lives make a point of being there for ketchup. There is a story behind it, Kenny's told me a few times, but I'm not great with remembering fine details so I'll leave the story telling to someone else.
Wacka Posted December 22, 2016 Posted December 22, 2016 (edited) On the road Kenny just does the bowling ball shots. He was with us in SF and Oakland in the past and I had met him in Phoenix and San Diego. He offered the bowling ball shots to the Raiders fans around us in the lot and they enjoyed it. No problems when you offer them shots of a hideous Polish cherry liquor. Edited December 22, 2016 by Wacka
Just Jack Posted December 22, 2016 Posted December 22, 2016 There is a story behind it, Kenny's told me a few times, but I'm not great with remembering fine details so I'll leave the story telling to someone else. The basic details from what I was told is that the original intent was to get the ketchup on the burger without getting any on Kenny.
jester43 Posted December 22, 2016 Posted December 22, 2016 (edited) I don't now if i ever posted this here or not...but I got married 10 years ago to a beautiful woman who had an 7 year old daughter. Having been single for a very long time before that, I was on a healthy stretch of going to 2-3 home games a year (I live 6 hrs away). I enjoyed many a good K/M spectacle and amore than a few bowling ball shots over that stretch. Anyway, in an attempt to bond with my new stepdaughter, I rustled up some amusing youtube vids of Ken at "work." Her 7-year-old self thought it was hilarious of course- so much so that we subsequently organized our first annual family ketchup and mustard battle...to be contested each year on New Year's Eve. It was just the three of us, but we had a hell of a good time. 10 years and three sons later, there will be 6 of us taking part in "KMB-11" on December 31st. So is it bizarre? I guess...but it is way more funny and fun. We have our laughs and clean up and we are almost always in bed asleep before midnight. the pictures get out and people's jaws drop a little when they saw our 4, 5 and 7 year old boys hosed down with K&M last year, but I've definitely made Bills fans out fo them, so how bad could it be. To the guy who started this thread: Lighten up. I really don't give $h!t about what anyone else thinks of our goofy Bills fan traditions and neither should you. We're sort of a cult anyway, right? Edited December 22, 2016 by jester43
GottaRun Posted December 22, 2016 Posted December 22, 2016 The basic details from what I was told is that the original intent was to get the ketchup on the burger without getting any on Kenny. And if I remember the story correctly the Bills won that day and a tradition was born.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 22, 2016 Posted December 22, 2016 I don't now if i ever posted this here or not...but I got married 10 years ago to a beautiful woman who had an 7 year old daughter. Having been single for a very long time before that, I was on a healthy stretch of going to 2-3 home games a year (I live 6 hrs away). I enjoyed many a good K/M spectacle and amore than a few bowling ball shots over that stretch. Anyway, in an attempt to bond with my new stepdaughter, I rustled up some amusing youtube vids of Ken at "work." Her 7-year-old self thought it was hilarious of course- so much so that we subsequently organized our first annual family ketchup and mustard battle...to be contested each year on New Year's Eve. It was just the three of us, but we had a hell of a good time. 10 years and three sons later, there will be 6 of us taking part in "KMB-11" on December 31st. So is it bizarre? I guess...but it is way more funny and fun. We have our laughs and clean up and we are almost always in bed asleep before midnight. the pictures get out and people's jaws drop a little when they saw our 4, 5 and 7 year old boys hosed down with K&M last year, but I've definitely made Bills fans out fo them, so how bad could it be. To the guy who started this thread: Lighten up. I really don't give **** about what anyone else thinks of our goofy Bills fan traditions and neither should you. We're sort of a cult anyway, right? Metz has a fair share of "off my lawnism" about him.
HT02 Posted December 22, 2016 Posted December 22, 2016 You're not. I'm sure there is a story behind it and it sits well with the other tailgators. But I would imagine the rest of the country watching it thinks it's ridiculous. I respect Kenny's dedication- that he goes to every game and such- but am I the only one who finds the ketchup and mustard part of his shtick more than a little moronic? Like it's not funny, it's just bizarre. He doesn't have to do that to be a tailgate legend, he already is one. What is he thinking and feeling when he's cleaning up after doing it? The whole thing is just weird. Like I'll go on a diatribe to a non-Bills fan about how legendary Bills tailgating is and then I get to that part of it and people will respond with simple questions like "why?" and I have no answers for them. I can't be the only one who feels this way. I agree as well, this whole drunken bit seems pretty stupid
Cereal Posted December 22, 2016 Posted December 22, 2016 I don't now if i ever posted this here or not... Fantastic! Like so many other traditions, Kenny's ceremony didn't happen this way intentionally, and it doesn't have to make sense. Roll with it!
Hammered a Lot Posted December 22, 2016 Posted December 22, 2016 I agree as well, this whole drunken bit seems pretty stupid I don't think I have ever seen Kenny drunk on game days. Also he has a lot of stuff to pack after everyone leaves and he does have to drive home. He is a responsible tailgater.
ricojes Posted December 22, 2016 Author Posted December 22, 2016 I don't now if i ever posted this here or not...but I got married 10 years ago to a beautiful woman who had an 7 year old daughter. Having been single for a very long time before that, I was on a healthy stretch of going to 2-3 home games a year (I live 6 hrs away). I enjoyed many a good K/M spectacle and amore than a few bowling ball shots over that stretch. Anyway, in an attempt to bond with my new stepdaughter, I rustled up some amusing youtube vids of Ken at "work." Her 7-year-old self thought it was hilarious of course- so much so that we subsequently organized our first annual family ketchup and mustard battle...to be contested each year on New Year's Eve. It was just the three of us, but we had a hell of a good time. 10 years and three sons later, there will be 6 of us taking part in "KMB-11" on December 31st. So is it bizarre? I guess...but it is way more funny and fun. We have our laughs and clean up and we are almost always in bed asleep before midnight. the pictures get out and people's jaws drop a little when they saw our 4, 5 and 7 year old boys hosed down with K&M last year, but I've definitely made Bills fans out fo them, so how bad could it be. To the guy who started this thread: Lighten up. I really don't give **** about what anyone else thinks of our goofy Bills fan traditions and neither should you. We're sort of a cult anyway, right? Great story and a great tradition! And I am the OP, but I wasn't the one who questioned the K&M ceremony, I would never do that...I think it's great...
Saxum Posted December 23, 2016 Posted December 23, 2016 I respect Kenny's dedication- that he goes to every game and such- but am I the only one who finds the ketchup and mustard part of his shtick more than a little moronic? Like it's not funny, it's just bizarre. He doesn't have to do that to be a tailgate legend, he already is one. What is he thinking and feeling when he's cleaning up after doing it? The whole thing is just weird. Like I'll go on a diatribe to a non-Bills fan about how legendary Bills tailgating is and then I get to that part of it and people will respond with simple questions like "why?" and I have no answers for them. I can't be the only one who feels this way. I know. It should be chicken wing sauce and blue cheese!
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