Coach Tuesday Posted December 22, 2016 Posted December 22, 2016 Yup. Lot's of myopia in this thread. Lawson wasn't only picked because Bills cut Mario. He was a wise pick because Bills lost Mario and Kyle is playing on borrowed time. To get a quality DL with the 19th pick isn't a stupid drafting strategy. Um, I'd be fine with a Shaun Ellis. Your myopia comment better not be directed at... wait what was the question? I like grapes.
GG Posted December 22, 2016 Posted December 22, 2016 Um, I'd be fine with a Shaun Ellis. Your myopia comment better not be directed at... wait what was the question? I like grapes. It's the ongoing debate of drafting for need vs BPA. I think it this case, Shaq was a bit of both. Getting an athletic versatile lineman with a decent upside isn't a stupid strategy. You'll always have a lower probability of getting a stud at #19, and to me Shaq was the safe choice. I think it's riskier to gamble on a project with a big ceiling in that spot, unless it's for a QB.
BringBackOrton Posted December 22, 2016 Posted December 22, 2016 It's the ongoing debate of drafting for need vs BPA. I think it this case, Shaq was a bit of both. Getting an athletic versatile lineman with a decent upside isn't a stupid strategy. You'll always have a lower probability of getting a stud at #19, and to me Shaq was the safe choice. I think it's riskier to gamble on a project with a big ceiling in that spot, unless it's for a QB. Safe choices don't make difference makers in the 1st round.
GG Posted December 22, 2016 Posted December 22, 2016 Safe choices don't make difference makers in the 1st round. Quick, name the difference makers who were picked after #18 this year.
26CornerBlitz Posted December 22, 2016 Posted December 22, 2016 Safe choices don't make difference makers in the 1st round. Zack Martin, OG Dallas Cowboys is just one example of how very wrong you are.
BringBackOrton Posted December 22, 2016 Posted December 22, 2016 (edited) Zack Martin, OG Dallas Cowboys is just one example of how very wrong you are. Lol, replace Zack with La'el Collins and that team doesn't miss a beat. Does Greg Robinson prove me wrong? How about Jake Fisher? Chance Warmack? The other 100 linemen who are solid at best in the first round? Edited December 22, 2016 by jmc12290
Coach Tuesday Posted December 22, 2016 Posted December 22, 2016 Quick, name the difference makers who were picked after #18 this year. Will Fuller
BringBackOrton Posted December 22, 2016 Posted December 22, 2016 (edited) Quick, name the difference makers who were picked after #18 this year. Dark.Will Fuller. Edited December 22, 2016 by jmc12290
26CornerBlitz Posted December 22, 2016 Posted December 22, 2016 Lol, replace Zack with La'el Collins and that team doesn't miss a beat. Does Greg Robinson prove me wrong? How about Jake Fisher? Chance Warmack? The other 100 linemen who are solid at best in the first round? Throw out however many names you'd like. Martin refutes your point.
GunnerBill Posted December 22, 2016 Posted December 22, 2016 Quick, name the difference makers who were picked after #18 this year. That is part of the issue here - I had Shaq as a top 10 talent and I am not backing away from that... but those that didn't want him because he was not an elite playmaker - who did they want? Treadwell? Doctson? Artie Burns?
BringBackOrton Posted December 22, 2016 Posted December 22, 2016 Throw out however many names you'd like. Martin refutes your point. No, he was just "one" of the examples that prove me wrong. Let's hear the rest, chach.
YoloinOhio Posted December 22, 2016 Posted December 22, 2016 (edited) Will Fuller he went way too high IMO. Maybe their QB was to blame but did some nice things early on and then turned into Marquise Goodwin. Edited December 22, 2016 by YoloinOhio
John from Riverside Posted December 22, 2016 Posted December 22, 2016 The hindsight 20 20 thing sure is nice huh? There was also a PLETHERA of players that looked good at that spot that are not playing.....playing little....on IR....etc etc
GG Posted December 22, 2016 Posted December 22, 2016 Dark. Will Fuller. Fuller's performance has been very pedestrian after the first two games of the year, and he wouldn't have fit the need for a bigger WR that Bills are looking for to complement Sammy. In a sense, Fuller's spot in Buffalo would have been the same complementary role that Shaq is playing, but certainly not a difference maker.
dave mcbride Posted December 22, 2016 Posted December 22, 2016 Zack Martin, OG Dallas Cowboys is just one example of how very wrong you are. Not to start an argument, but Martin had a super-high grade as I recall and only fell to that slot because he was a guard. He was always regarded as a high-ceiling player, but since he was a guard ...
John from Riverside Posted December 22, 2016 Posted December 22, 2016 Fuller's performance has been very pedestrian after the first two games of the year, and he wouldn't have fit the need for a bigger WR that Bills are looking for to complement Sammy. In a sense, Fuller's spot in Buffalo would have been the same complementary role that Shaq is playing, but certainly not a difference maker. Personally I dont get the complaining over Shaq Lawson.....his projects (if he had played a full season) are not that bad for a rookie
dave mcbride Posted December 22, 2016 Posted December 22, 2016 Dark. Will Fuller. Fuller isn't having a good season statistically. He has a 47.7 percent catch rate, which is absolute bottom of the barrel.
BringBackOrton Posted December 22, 2016 Posted December 22, 2016 Fuller's performance has been very pedestrian after the first two games of the year, and he wouldn't have fit the need for a bigger WR that Bills are looking for to complement Sammy. In a sense, Fuller's spot in Buffalo would have been the same complementary role that Shaq is playing, but certainly not a difference maker. except Fuller would've played more than a quarter of our meaningful games, but fair enough. And I contend with our injuries, we didn't need a guy to complement Sammy as much as a talented WR out there to play over bums. And in that sense, the cream would've risen to the top. There's always Michael Thomas, if you're looking for a big WR. Personally I dont get the complaining over Shaq Lawson.....his projects (if he had played a full season) are not that bad for a rookie Projections mean nothing.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 22, 2016 Posted December 22, 2016 (if he had played a full season) Drafted injured. Did not. Bad ideas are bad.
Coach Tuesday Posted December 22, 2016 Posted December 22, 2016 Fuller isn't having a good season statistically. He has a 47.7 percent catch rate, which is absolute bottom of the barrel. That's true. I don't like the way the Texans are using him. He can get open downfield, with speed. Seems like a perfect compliment to Hopkins (or Watkins). I'm going to blame their QB issues for his lack of performance - I think he'd be a good fit on this Bills team based on his skillset. That said, I wanted Myles Jack at 19, and then in Round 2.
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