Reed83HOF Posted December 17, 2016 Posted December 17, 2016 On 12/17/2016 at 6:38 PM, GG said: Does it matter? Doesn't that speak more loudly when mediocre coaches decide to walk away and take demotions? Mularkey was a while ago, but Marrone is way to recent to ignore...Same people except Littman and Wilson
Sisyphean Bills Posted December 17, 2016 Posted December 17, 2016 On 12/17/2016 at 6:38 PM, GG said: Does it matter? Doesn't that speak more loudly when mediocre coaches decide to walk away and take demotions? Yes. But remember everything is different now. Mularkey walked away when Ralph had Brandon and the cronies running the ship, and Marrone walked away when Pegs had Brandon and the cronies running the ship. It's night and day.
Bangarang Posted December 17, 2016 Posted December 17, 2016 I don't get how Whaley's job is still considered safe. He's been here for several years of mediocrity. He's mediocre at drafting and this is the 2nd coaching staff he's reportedly had power struggles with.
26CornerBlitz Posted December 17, 2016 Posted December 17, 2016 On 12/17/2016 at 6:50 PM, Sisyphean Bills said: Yes. But remember everything is different now. Mularkey walked away when Ralph had Brandon and the cronies running the ship, and Marrone walked away when Pegs had Brandon and the cronies running the ship. It's night and day. Well that explains everything.
DC Tom Posted December 17, 2016 Posted December 17, 2016 On 12/17/2016 at 6:38 PM, GG said: Does it matter? Doesn't that speak more loudly when mediocre coaches decide to walk away and take demotions? Except in Marrone's case, I think he less "decided" to take a demotion that had it forced upon him. He appeared to think he could get another head coaching gig, then was surprised he didn't and desperate for any position he could get
Mr. WEO Posted December 17, 2016 Posted December 17, 2016 On 12/17/2016 at 7:04 PM, DC Tom said: Except in Marrone's case, I think he less "decided" to take a demotion that had it forced upon him. He appeared to think he could get another head coaching gig, then was surprised he didn't and desperate for any position he could get Even so, he walked away from the Bills HC job in particular--knowing he didn't have a HC job waiting elsewhere. Whatever he thought of his chances elsewhere, he didn't want to keep the HC he already had.
Sisyphean Bills Posted December 17, 2016 Posted December 17, 2016 On 12/17/2016 at 7:03 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: Well that explains everything. Did you run out of pivots?
Mr. WEO Posted December 17, 2016 Posted December 17, 2016 On 12/17/2016 at 7:11 PM, Sisyphean Bills said: Did you run out of pivots? He'll fix your thread for you though...
Sisyphean Bills Posted December 17, 2016 Posted December 17, 2016 On 12/17/2016 at 6:24 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: I don't buy the connection. Under Ralph, the football budget was very limited. With the Pegulas as owners, it's an entirely different scenario. Which means what exactly? Do you think the salary cap went away when the team was sold?
NoSaint Posted December 17, 2016 Posted December 17, 2016 On 12/17/2016 at 6:44 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: If there is a connection, then go ahead and lay out what it is other than lifers. I get why Mularkey left and I don't defend the 2004 OBD operation. I think part of the issue in this discussion is that those two goons probably had experiences that were potentially similar but with Rex there have been changes with regards to no Ralph no littman... but who knows how much the old voices echo through the halls (Russ and overdorf, how much Whaley became part etc....).
26CornerBlitz Posted December 17, 2016 Posted December 17, 2016 On 12/17/2016 at 7:13 PM, Sisyphean Bills said: Which means what exactly? Do you think the salary cap went away when the team was sold? It means the team has been willing to spend more resources in order retain its own players under the Pegulas.
K-9 Posted December 17, 2016 Posted December 17, 2016 On 12/17/2016 at 6:28 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: Mularkey and Marrone. Not exactly two stellar coaches. Malarkey was forced out by Levy who basically stripped Mularkey of any say a HC might have in coordinators and other coaching hires on the D side. The reports of being "shocked" were nothing more than damage control. Marrone simply gambled and lost. Afterward, he had a three day window to take advantage of a rare clause and took it. Screwed most of his other coaches in the process, but hey, the prospect of $4m for doing nothing is hard to pass up I guess.
Sisyphean Bills Posted December 17, 2016 Posted December 17, 2016 On 12/17/2016 at 7:09 PM, Mr. WEO said: Even so, he walked away from the Bills HC job in particular--knowing he didn't have a HC job waiting elsewhere. Whatever he thought of his chances elsewhere, he didn't want to keep the HC he already had. Marrone had an opportunity to see what new ownership was going to do from the inside. He had his 3 day opt-out window and pulled the eject lever. That's irrefutable regardless of anyone's beliefs and emotions. The idea that Marrone walked away because of the culture, and the people that make up that culture, is plausible. More plausible than the argument: "He's just a ninny."
Mr. WEO Posted December 17, 2016 Posted December 17, 2016 On 12/17/2016 at 7:18 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: It means the team has been willing to spend more resources in order retain its own players under the Pegulas. This has nothing to due with the Pegulas and began a few years earlier--in 2011 with the new CBA. Bills have been in the top 7 in salary spending since 2013, actually. Not that spending means much. Top 5 includes Eagles and Dolphins. Bottom 5 includes NE...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 17, 2016 Posted December 17, 2016 On 12/17/2016 at 7:20 PM, K-9 said: Malarkey was forced out by Levy who basically stripped Mularkey of any say a HC might have in coordinators and other coaching hires on the D side. The reports of being "shocked" were nothing more than damage control. Marrone simply gambled and lost. Afterward, he had a three day window to take advantage of a rare clause and took it. Screwed most of his other coaches in the process, but hey, the prospect of $4m for doing nothing is hard to pass up I guess. Sounds like two unconnected scenarios to me.
Sisyphean Bills Posted December 17, 2016 Posted December 17, 2016 On 12/17/2016 at 7:18 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: It means the team has been willing to spend more resources in order retain its own players under the Pegulas. Curious. So which players are on your short list? Who are the homegrown talents that the Pegulas have awarded the big-time contracts to keep?
BringBackOrton Posted December 17, 2016 Posted December 17, 2016 On 12/17/2016 at 7:24 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: Sounds like two unconnected scenarios to me. You found a life raft.
K-9 Posted December 17, 2016 Posted December 17, 2016 On 12/17/2016 at 7:24 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: Sounds like two unconnected scenarios to me. Entirely unconnected, but, you know, Brandon was here in 2006, so it makes for more big marching band music.
26CornerBlitz Posted December 17, 2016 Posted December 17, 2016 On 12/17/2016 at 7:23 PM, Mr. WEO said: This has nothing to due with the Pegulas and began a few years earlier--in 2011 with the new CBA. Bills have been in the top 7 in salary spending since 2013, actually. Not that spending means much. Top 5 includes Eagles and Dolphins. Bottom 5 includes NE... It has quite a bit to do with greater available resources that can be paid in signing bonuses.
Mr. WEO Posted December 17, 2016 Posted December 17, 2016 On 12/17/2016 at 7:27 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: It has quite a bit to do with greater available resources that can be paid in signing bonuses. Every team has the same resources (shared revenue) and restrictions (salary cap).
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