PatsFanNH Posted December 29, 2016 Posted December 29, 2016 Coughlin looked good on the one Prime time game I saw him speak. Give me a Mike Smith, same type of coach just 20 years younger. Smith took the Falcons to the same place Coughlin took the Jags. One Huge difference IMO is Coughlin brought an EXPANSION team to the playoffs ina couple of years. That is just impressive to me! I have always loved Coughlin ever since he was HC of the BC Eagles. (I dare say if he had stayed just 2 more years BC would have won a National Championship and if you know BC you know how unbelievable that is!)
bobobonators Posted December 29, 2016 Posted December 29, 2016 One Huge difference IMO is Coughlin brought an EXPANSION team to the playoffs ina couple of years. That is just impressive to me! I have always loved Coughlin ever since he was HC of the BC Eagles. (I dare say if he had stayed just 2 more years BC would have won a National Championship and if you know BC you know how unbelievable that is!) Tom Coughlin was a great coach. He had a great run. But it's over. It needs to be over. What he did in Jax was 21 years ago and irrelevant at this point in time.
PatsFanNH Posted December 29, 2016 Posted December 29, 2016 Tom Coughlin was a great coach. He had a great run. But it's over. It needs to be over. What he did in Jax was 21 years ago and irrelevant at this point in time. Very true, and he is in his 70's. I would think he want to retire. I also think he had a great run in NY, 2 SB wins and probably have more if he did t have Eli "Jeckyl and Hyde" Manning as his QB.
YoloinOhio Posted December 29, 2016 Posted December 29, 2016 @pfcentral Buffalo passed on Coughlin in 04 and have already had a dialogue with them since October. An official meeting expected to take place soon
TheFunPolice Posted December 29, 2016 Posted December 29, 2016 So Coughlin (a guy who beat Belichick and Brady in TWO Super Bowls) is going to come in and take marching orders from Doug Whaley? No way. IMO anyway. I'll support whoever they hire and hope they get it right this time so we can see a winning team in our lifetimes.
zevo Posted December 29, 2016 Posted December 29, 2016 I have no idea why age is such a big deal in the argument against coughlin....as long as he is on the up and up with today's NFL which I have no reason to believe or disbelieve then why the hell not....rings command respect....
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted December 29, 2016 Posted December 29, 2016 Or maybe in the year he was here, while the defense played great, he was an organizational mess?? Maybe why they didn't hire as HC last time. They still sensed some of the same issues as were in Detroit, great coordinator, bad HC?? Don't know anything about him, how is there D? Don't know why they aren't interviewing Schwartz, does he not get along with Whaley either?
MDH Posted December 29, 2016 Posted December 29, 2016 One Huge difference IMO is Coughlin brought an EXPANSION team to the playoffs ina couple of years. That is just impressive to me! He had them in the playoffs 4 out of the first 5 years. Then when he was hired by the Giants he did the exact same thing. I have no clue if the game has "passed him by" or if he's physically up to the task of taking on another HC job but, at the very least, the Bills should talk to him.
DrDawkinstein Posted December 29, 2016 Posted December 29, 2016 So Coughlin (a guy who beat Belichick and Brady in TWO Super Bowls) is going to come in and take marching orders from Doug Whaley? No way. IMO anyway. I'll support whoever they hire and hope they get it right this time so we can see a winning team in our lifetimes. Your opinion on the way Tom Coughlin thinks is fairly uninformed. Wouldnt you admit? I certainly dont have any clue to his thinking, but I do know he worked with a strong GM in NY and didnt have a problem. Maybe he likes to only focus on coaching? I have no idea why age is such a big deal in the argument against coughlin....as long as he is on the up and up with today's NFL which I have no reason to believe or disbelieve then why the hell not....rings command respect.... For me, the knock with age is because I want the Bills to hire their LONG TERM solution (10 years). That is the only way to stabilize the franchise from here. Coughlin has what, 2-3 years left? We'll be right in the same old Bills coaching carousel.
dave mcbride Posted December 29, 2016 Posted December 29, 2016 Your opinion on the way Tom Coughlin thinks is fairly uninformed. Wouldnt you admit? I certainly dont have any clue to his thinking, but I do know he worked with a strong GM in NY and didnt have a problem. Maybe he likes to only focus on coaching? For me, the knock with age is because I want the Bills to hire their LONG TERM solution (10 years). That is the only way to stabilize the franchise from here. Coughlin has what, 2-3 years left? We'll be right in the same old Bills coaching carousel. Coughlin got along pretty well with Jerry Reese.
tennesseeboy Posted December 29, 2016 Posted December 29, 2016 The problem is still there and I don't see any coach who has options taking this job. Whaley has been a coach killer and has been a nightmare at hiring coaches. He wants Lynn (one tear as OC and running backs coach experience on losing teams. He will not resist whalers meddling. No you won't see a competitive coach walking into this snake pit
reddogblitz Posted December 29, 2016 Posted December 29, 2016 The problem is still there and I don't see any coach who has options taking this job. Whaley has been a coach killer and has been a nightmare at hiring coaches. He wants Lynn (one tear as OC and running backs coach experience on losing teams. He will not resist whalers meddling. No you won't see a competitive coach walking into this snake pit What exactly does Whaley do to sabatoge these coaches? He doesn't get along with them? I don't get along with boss me some comworkers either. Am I sabatoging them? In environments with strong egos, not getting along is not uncommon.
87168 Posted December 29, 2016 Posted December 29, 2016 (edited) The problem is still there and I don't see any coach who has options taking this job. Whaley has been a coach killer and has been a nightmare at hiring coaches. He wants Lynn (one tear as OC and running backs coach experience on losing teams. He will not resist whalers meddling. No you won't see a competitive coach walking into this snake pit coach killer? haha! since he's been GM, he's had two coaches. Marrone, who left on his own accord (with a winning record and team on the upswing), and Rex whom was awful and NOT his pick at HC (Rex was the doormat of the afce, and the Pegulas hired him)...so....elaborate? Edited December 29, 2016 by 87168
Kelly the Dog Posted December 29, 2016 Posted December 29, 2016 Coughlin got along pretty well with Jerry Reese. And Whaley just spent two years getting exactly the kind of players that his HC wanted and asked for, including a couple that Whaley probably didn't want, like IK. There is no reason to believe that Coughlin couldn't get along with Whaley unless you believe in conspiracy theories, or that Whaley just intentionally tries to undermine his own team and threaten his own job. Whaley did everything Rex wanted him to. As soon as Rex showed that he was not the guy we were hoping for, Whaley lost his belief in Rex. You know, pretty much like every Bills fan.
dave mcbride Posted December 29, 2016 Posted December 29, 2016 And Whaley just spent two years getting exactly the kind of players that his HC wanted and asked for, including a couple that Whaley probably didn't want, like IK. There is no reason to believe that Coughlin couldn't get along with Whaley unless you believe in conspiracy theories, or that Whaley just intentionally tries to undermine his own team and threaten his own job. Whaley did everything Rex wanted him to. As soon as Rex showed that he was not the guy we were hoping for, Whaley lost his belief in Rex. You know, pretty much like every Bills fan. I think that's fair. That doesn't explain the war with Marrone though. It could be the case that Whaley changed after Marrone and decided that he'd get the players the coach wanted. Neither relationship worked out in the end, but perhaps for very different reasons. Just doing some free-style speculating ...
dpberr Posted December 29, 2016 Posted December 29, 2016 (edited) I don't think Coughlin wants full control of the football team. He wants to coach one and I don't think for very long either. Maybe 2-3 years. I think he's motivated to prove the New York Giants wrong and show that he can still coach and win. Buffalo is an attractive spot because the coach who puts Buffalo into the playoffs is easily a Coach of the Year candidate and it is a hell of a capstone to his legacy. Buffalo in the playoffs on top of his work in Jacksonville and in New York makes him a first ballot hall of fame coach. If you want a challenge as a head coach, there is no bigger of a challenge than the one in Orchard Park, NY. Part of me is concerned by that because if he's on a personal mission to prove "his" way still works, that's what Ryan was - on a mission to prove something to the Jets and it was not successful. The Bills have to decide on whether the Coughlin way has a place in the 2017 NFL. Part of me sees it as a positive - He's been successful everywhere, he's taken the time to reflect (unlike Ryan) and he's motivated. He hates being fired. Edited December 29, 2016 by dpberr
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