Nihilarian Posted December 9, 2016 Posted December 9, 2016 He has a decent draft record? I thought he inherited a good Jets roster, and then ruined it with questionable draft choices. He influenced the Jets to draft too defensively heavy, and used first round picks on corners like Kris Wilson and Dee Milliner. This is accurate as Ryan drafted for the defense with first round picks ever year from 2010 through 2014 and made some bad choices. CB Kyle Wilson 2010 DT Muhammad Wilkerson 2011 DE Quinton Couples 2012 CB Dee Milliner 2013 DB Calvin Prior 2014 Is there any doubt as to why Rex Ryan's defense didn't improve from his first year with the Jets. I think he would suck as GM.
MAJBobby Posted December 9, 2016 Posted December 9, 2016 Pros: 1) He has the Pegulas ear(s)...they like him. 2) Has been involved in an assortment of positions in the NFL. 3) He knows all the "players" (coaches, agents, players, colleges, etc) 4) It would take him off the sideline as a coach 5) Intelligence 6) Respected in NFL circles 7) Can identify talent (Ed Reed, Mo Wilkerson, Ivory, Mo Lewis, etc.) 8) Can work with others and plays his cards close to the vest. 9) It would take him off the sidelines as a coach x2 10) *add your own thoughts* OOhhhh God NO. He cant be a HC let alone a GM
Gugny Posted December 9, 2016 Posted December 9, 2016 OOhhhh God NO. He cant be a HC let alone a GM By that logic, a decent HC would make a decent GM. Marv Levy is on line 2.
BringBackFergy Posted December 9, 2016 Author Posted December 9, 2016 This is accurate as Ryan drafted for the defense with first round picks ever year from 2010 through 2014 and made some bad choices. CB Kyle Wilson 2010 DT Muhammad Wilkerson 2011 DE Quinton Couples 2012 CB Dee Milliner 2013 DB Calvin Prior 2014 Is there any doubt as to why Rex Ryan's defense didn't improve from his first year with the Jets. I think he would suck as GM. First Round Picks are always subject to dispute. See also Aaron Maybin, EJ Manuel, Stephanie Gilmore, and Sammy Watkins (1st Round x 2)
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted December 9, 2016 Posted December 9, 2016 (edited) First Round Picks are always subject to dispute. See also Aaron Maybin, EJ Manuel, Stephanie Gilmore, and Sammy Watkins (1st Round x 2) How do our poor first round draft choices justify Ryan's poor first round choices with the Jets? I don't follow. Just because we've made questionable first round picks doesn't mean his picks with the Jets should make him our GM. PS I understand what you mean about first round picks being risky, but if you look at the following rounds during Rex's time with the Jets it gets really ugly. Edited December 9, 2016 by DriveFor1Outta5
Formerly Allan in MD Posted December 9, 2016 Posted December 9, 2016 It's not April Fools Day yet. And BTW, Whaley is a good GM.
MAJBobby Posted December 9, 2016 Posted December 9, 2016 First Round Picks are always subject to dispute. See also Aaron Maybin, EJ Manuel, Stephanie Gilmore, and Sammy Watkins (1st Round x 2) Not Whaley's and EJ could be debatable. So Whaley has made Two 1st round picks, Sammy and Shaq
BmarvB Posted December 9, 2016 Posted December 9, 2016 Pros: 1) He has the Pegulas ear(s)...they like him. 2) Has been involved in an assortment of positions in the NFL. 3) He knows all the "players" (coaches, agents, players, colleges, etc) 4) It would take him off the sideline as a coach 5) Intelligence 6) Respected in NFL circles 7) Can identify talent (Ed Reed, Mo Wilkerson, Ivory, Mo Lewis, etc.) 8) Can work with others and plays his cards close to the vest. 9) It would take him off the sidelines as a coach x2 10) *add your own thoughts* He'll probably make Rob the head coach Here is a better idea. We have a decent GM let him do his job and let him hire a new coach? Let him get his first choice this time. I like that idea much better.
BringBackFergy Posted December 9, 2016 Author Posted December 9, 2016 How do our poor first round draft choices justify Ryan's poor first round choices with the Jets? I don't follow. Just because we've made questionable first round picks doesn't mean his picks with the Jets should make him our GM. PS I understand what you mean about first round picks being risky, but if you look at the following rounds during Rex's time with the Jets it gets really ugly. Just a comparison to the post by Nihilarian where he said Rex's drafting was bad. It's a poor argument because much more goes into being a GM than drafting..."team building" is the core duty of a GM. IMO, Rex would succeed.
baskingridgebillsfan Posted December 9, 2016 Posted December 9, 2016 Rex as coach sure gm no way . Whaley is fine. it is all abut the qb. has been the last three years . the personal is good enough to win 10 plus games with good qb play a failing gm is the guy with the colts. He has the qb but can't put decent pieces around him. Put Luck on the bills and they win 12 this year
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 10, 2016 Posted December 10, 2016 Pros: 1) He has the Pegulas ear(s)...they like him. 2) Has been involved in an assortment of positions in the NFL. 3) He knows all the "players" (coaches, agents, players, colleges, etc) 4) It would take him off the sideline as a coach 5) Intelligence 6) Respected in NFL circles 7) Can identify talent (Ed Reed, Mo Wilkerson, Ivory, Mo Lewis, etc.) 8) Can work with others and plays his cards close to the vest. 9) It would take him off the sidelines as a coach x2 10) *add your own thoughts* Has the anti TT crowd weighed in on #7??
jumbalaya Posted December 10, 2016 Posted December 10, 2016 But he can bring his brother on as asst GM! What a team!
TSOL Posted December 10, 2016 Posted December 10, 2016 This thread is creepin me out, dont give Kim any ideas.
LI_Bills Posted December 10, 2016 Posted December 10, 2016 Pros: 1) He has the Pegulas ear(s)...they like him. 2) Has been involved in an assortment of positions in the NFL. 3) He knows all the "players" (coaches, agents, players, colleges, etc) 4) It would take him off the sideline as a coach 5) Intelligence 6) Respected in NFL circles 7) Can identify talent (Ed Reed, Mo Wilkerson, Ivory, Mo Lewis, etc.) 8) Can work with others and plays his cards close to the vest. 9) It would take him off the sidelines as a coach x2 10) *add your own thoughts* So our path to a new coach is promoting a failure to a position he's never held? I'm usually a "stay the course" guy, but my minimum expectation for Rex was a strong defense. Two years in and we are anything but that, and we all know where the D was at before he arrived. Rex is a natural fit for broadcasting. Dump Collinsworth and bring in Rex. It would probably be highly entertaining for a year or so.
Freddie's Dead Posted December 10, 2016 Posted December 10, 2016 10) Just say no to crack. This is accurate as Ryan drafted for the defense with first round picks ever year from 2010 through 2014 and made some bad choices. CB Kyle Wilson 2010 DT Muhammad Wilkerson 2011 DE Quinton Couples 2012 CB Dee Milliner 2013 DB Calvin Prior 2014 Is there any doubt as to why Rex Ryan's defense didn't improve from his first year with the Jets. I think he would suck as GM. One out of five ain't bad
Augie Posted December 10, 2016 Posted December 10, 2016 I'd prefer to see him selling beer or peanuts.
The Age of Aquarius Posted December 10, 2016 Posted December 10, 2016 Doug Whaley has done an absolutely phenomenal job as a GM of the Buffalo Bills. As of right now, the Bills are one of 10 (ten!) teams in the NFL who have played .500 better or ball in each of the past 2 seasons. And out of those 10 teams, 6 of them (including the Bills) are within a game of .500 this year. If the Bills finish at or above .500, and a few times finish a game below .500, the Bills will be part of an exclusive club that includes NFL royalty like Patriots, Broncos, Packers, and Steelers. Doug Whaley came to Buf from Pittsburgh, where he was for over a decade. Pittsburgh is one of the best run franchises in the NFL--and they have continuous success. To achieve organizational success like that, you need more than just "a new quarterback", you need a system that can scout the country for new talent, watch the waiver wire, check out practice squads, monitor players in the league to see who's turning over the bottom of their roster. Whether or not it assuages your anger, the fact is that this Bills team has lost A LOT of players to injury... but, wait, you say (now say it with me): "every team has injuries". They do, which is why the list of teams that have strung together .500 seasons includes only 10 teams, winning in the NFL is hard, and only good organizations can be successful over time. The Bills have managed to tread water this year, with a rash of injuries; last year, they were able to do the same with a new head coach (new defense) and a new quarterback (essentially a rookie). What their success (and I use that term as a measure of their performance, record wise, in comparison to the other 31 teams in the league--not as a measure of your personal wish fulfillment) is showing is that they are built with quality depth, which means there is cheap, sustainable talent from top to bottom, offense, defense, and special teams, from the starters to the practice squad. I don't know if the Bills are a year away, or 2 years away, or 5 years away. I don't know how long it takes to build a winning football organization. How long it takes to hire the right nutritionists, film technicians, personal trainers, scouting department, maintenance crews, etc. etc. But building an entire organization is not an easy task. Blowing it up and starting over would set us right back to square freaking one. We could feasibly be in a situation next year with a returning OC, an established roster, a halfway decent QB, an all pro WR and RB, a healthy defense, and 40 million to spend going into free agence--who knows, Brady might even win a ring and ride off into the sunset. Consider the following: The Bills are not moving backwards, and they are playing even (or winning) football for a 3 year stretch for only the 3rd time since the Super Bowl era. The first time they did it was the last 3 years of the Super Bowl teams, led by an unstoppable offense, which was managed by a hell of a GM that Ralph ran out of town; the next time they did it, Flutie was in town, the defense was all world, and they ran a hell of a GM (and coach!) out of town; now, we have the best rushing offense in the league, an all world Oline, and have a hell of a GM in town, the only difference is, this team hasn't peaked, it's on the way up. Can we finally, for the first time in a quarter century, have a little continuity? 14-2 seems like it could legitimately be in play next year. I'm begging ownership to not cave into the instant-gratification crowd. This team is loaded, and winning more football games than 2/3ds-3/4 of the league. Let 'em play ball one more year together, they just might surprise you.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 10, 2016 Posted December 10, 2016 Pros: 1) He has the Pegulas ear(s)...they like him. 2) Has been involved in an assortment of positions in the NFL. 3) He knows all the "players" (coaches, agents, players, colleges, etc) 4) It would take him off the sideline as a coach 5) Intelligence 6) Respected in NFL circles 7) Can identify talent (Ed Reed, Mo Wilkerson, Ivory, Mo Lewis, etc.) 8) Can work with others and plays his cards close to the vest. 9) It would take him off the sidelines as a coach x2 10) *add your own thoughts* Are you Robert Woods or something !? Here is a better idea. We have a decent GM let him do his job and let him hire a new coach? Let him get his first choice this time. Whaley has done no better than those before him and is responsible for very poor offensive talent, he needs to go.
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