4merper4mer Posted December 5, 2016 Posted December 5, 2016 If I'm looking for a reason to keep Rex, I can honestly find a few despite the bleak outlook in terms of the odds of him ever succeeding. The top reason is that it is very difficult to find a top notch head coach. It's not exactly like hitting the lottery, but the odds aren't great either. When I watch other teams I see coaches like Quinn, who were highly regarded, doing stupid things. I see them over and over with him. Andy Reid gets to the playoffs and then screws up. Teams pick up young energetic guys like the Jags and Chargers and they flop. I see people yapping here about McDaniel, a proven failure and cheat, and Patricia, a complete unknown. BB's coaching tree moving to NFL HC is not just bad, it is a anomaly how bad it is, like so many other anomalies surrounding that team. Taking a Pat assistant almost guarantees failure. It would be a very bad idea. Teams transitioning coaches like the Steelers have managed over the years is obviously the exception. Top notch coaches among the 32 coaching now? Difference makers? There aren't many. Expecting to get one just by making a change is not by any means a safe assumption. We could end up with another complete idiot like Marrone or Williams.....they were literally the same guy and we repeated a mistake. We could end up with a semi-dunce that needs a lot of polishing like Mularkey, who seems to be doing decently now but was far from ready when he was here. A smart but passive Jauron type is another possibility. The bottom line is that the odds for success are low. Rex has done more than enough to prove he is not an elite NFL head coach. He has proven himself as below average IMO, but the worst part is that he has proven no ability to improve. He is the master of a failed defensive scheme which offers nothing to our odds for success. If he stayed and somehow divested from the day to day defense and allowed a new DC to run another system utilizing our current talent I personally think he could succeed. He has a great personality and he is easy to like. He is just not good at x's and o's. Get someone else in here to do that and be the inspirational guy. Change Rex. It's your only chance.
bobobonators Posted December 5, 2016 Posted December 5, 2016 (edited) Im not 100% sure where I stand with this team and with Rex. I will wait until the end of the season to make a final determination. Against 2 of the best teams in the NFL - Seattle and Oakland - we have shown signs of being close. We're showing positive signs. I just dont think this team is mentally there yet. I dont think the players believe in themselves. Yesterday was a prime example of every player, in every phase of this team, shitting the bed bc they knew momentum had shifted and they didnt believe in themselves to stop it. This team is close to being pretty good. But we're just not there yet. Edited December 5, 2016 by bobobonators
Best Player Available Posted December 5, 2016 Posted December 5, 2016 If I'm looking for a reason to keep Rex, I can honestly find a few despite the bleak outlook in terms of the odds of him ever succeeding. The top reason is that it is very difficult to find a top notch head coach. It's not exactly like hitting the lottery, but the odds aren't great either. When I watch other teams I see coaches like Quinn, who were highly regarded, doing stupid things. I see them over and over with him. Andy Reid gets to the playoffs and then screws up. Teams pick up young energetic guys like the Jags and Chargers and they flop. I see people yapping here about McDaniel, a proven failure and cheat, and Patricia, a complete unknown. BB's coaching tree moving to NFL HC is not just bad, it is a anomaly how bad it is, like so many other anomalies surrounding that team. Taking a Pat assistant almost guarantees failure. It would be a very bad idea. Teams transitioning coaches like the Steelers have managed over the years is obviously the exception. Top notch coaches among the 32 coaching now? Difference makers? There aren't many. Expecting to get one just by making a change is not by any means a safe assumption. We could end up with another complete idiot like Marrone or Williams.....they were literally the same guy and we repeated a mistake. We could end up with a semi-dunce that needs a lot of polishing like Mularkey, who seems to be doing decently now but was far from ready when he was here. A smart but passive Jauron type is another possibility. The bottom line is that the odds for success are low. Rex has done more than enough to prove he is not an elite NFL head coach. He has proven himself as below average IMO, but the worst part is that he has proven no ability to improve. He is the master of a failed defensive scheme which offers nothing to our odds for success. If he stayed and somehow divested from the day to day defense and allowed a new DC to run another system utilizing our current talent I personally think he could succeed. He has a great personality and he is easy to like. He is just not good at x's and o's. Get someone else in here to do that and be the inspirational guy. Change Rex. It's your only chance. Best case to keep Rex? Not my style but he has a cool truck. That's all I got.
Joe Miner Posted December 5, 2016 Posted December 5, 2016 It's great going into the off season knowing that you have both players and coaches who aren't good enough, but the biggest argument is being afraid to try to replace them. Not trying reeks of a lack of confidence in the ability of this organization from the top down. If your GM, scouts, coaches, management, etc... are afraid of trying to do their jobs because they might fail you truly have a shitshow on your hands. Fans can be afraid. Bills' leadership better not be.
bobobonators Posted December 5, 2016 Posted December 5, 2016 As of now I would lean towards keeping rex (minus a complete collapse to end the season). It's great going into the off season knowing that you have both players and coaches who aren't good enough, but the biggest argument is being afraid to try to replace them. Not trying reeks of a lack of confidence in the ability of this organization from the top down. If your GM, scouts, coaches, management, etc... are afraid of trying to do their jobs because they might fail you truly have a shitshow on your hands. Fans can be afraid. Bills' leadership better not be. Arguments could be made either way. Ron Rivera couldve gotten fired from Carolina and Jason Garrett from Dallas with this logic. The Bills have changed coaches quite frequently have they not?
Dr. K Posted December 5, 2016 Posted December 5, 2016 Rex is the problem, not the solution. "The team is not mentally there yet?" No kidding--and their unpreparedness is a direct reflection of their coach. If they keep Rex on for next season, they are dooming themselves to another .500 record at best, and more likely 6-10 or worse.
Joe Miner Posted December 5, 2016 Posted December 5, 2016 As of now I would lean towards keeping rex (minus a complete collapse to end the season). Arguments could be made either way. Ron Rivera couldve gotten fired from Carolina and Jason Garrett from Dallas with this logic. The Bills have changed coaches quite frequently have they not? If your leaders are afraid to do their jobs, they're not leaders.
zonabb Posted December 5, 2016 Posted December 5, 2016 Who's the QB? That's all that matters. Another coach with the same QB will get the same results. Mediocrity. Unless you have a better QB, keep the coach.
Formerly Allan in MD Posted December 5, 2016 Posted December 5, 2016 Who's the QB? That's all that matters. Another coach with the same QB will get the same results. Mediocrity. Unless you have a better QB, keep the coach. Even with a better quarterback, and we definitely need one, we'll remain a mediocre team so long as this loser and his brother are coaching. Yesterday was the perfect example of how stupid coaching will kill you no matter what personnel you have. You don't go into a prevent defense in the first half of a game simply because you have a decent lead. Rushing three and putting absolutely no pressure on the quarterback was nothing but a recipe for losing. Plus a team like Oakland truly loves your zone coverage. It all starts at the top and we are a disaster in that regard.
Nihilarian Posted December 5, 2016 Posted December 5, 2016 It's nearly two years and what we see is a HC no better than Dick Jauron, or Chan Gailey or Doug Marrone or any of the head coaches hired over the past 16 years. Marrone had the smarts to hire a DC who could actually get the most out of the players on the roster in Jim Schwartz!! But, alas he also had the stupidity to hire an inexperienced OC with no QB coach to attempt to develop 3 young inexperienced QB's and two of them, rookies. The entire world can see in Jacksonville what ex-Bills OC Nathaniel Hackett has done for Jags QB Blake Bortles this year. First as QB coach and now as OC for the Jags as Bortles has regressed so profoundly that has now thrown six pick sixes!! This team seems to hire men who fail at what they are supposed to be acclaimed for as Marrone was a supposed offensive mind and Ryan a brilliant defensive mind. Still, this team shouldn't be afraid to make changes with the FO and coaching staff as we have all seen that the correct choice at the top of the org can have an immediate successful impact! These new owners need to take themselves, Russ Brandon, out of the hiring equation and either hire some senior NFL advisers or team president of football operations and allow him to hire the next GM, HC! Allow NFL football people to hire NFL football people!
4merper4mer Posted December 5, 2016 Author Posted December 5, 2016 Not trying reeks of a lack of confidence in the ability of this organization from the top down. I get it. I think Rex has to get hands off. That might be like hiring a new coach. This thread is a devil's advocate type of thread. Obviously Rex deserves to be fired anyone who is not both big and a cat can see that, but if I'm trying to make a case to keep him, this is what I have.
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