Are You Libertarians Upset By Trump's Meddling In...

[GG]

 

Again, what "threat" against a "specific business?"

 

You know, the general threat about Chinese manipulating their currency, applied to a US company moving a factory to Mexico.

 

Makes perfect sense.

[DC Tom]

 

You know, the general threat about Chinese manipulating their currency, applied to a US company moving a factory to Mexico.

 

Makes perfect sense.

 

I thought it was the general threat of tariffs and of UT losing their government contracts.

 

Even though everything I've seen written on it says "Was there a threat? Well, even though there wasn't one, there must have been one implied, because we're begging the question..."

 

So I'm honestly wondering of gatortard actually read somewhere that Carrier was specifically threatened. Because everything else I could find says "no...but c'mon, you know they were."

[Chef Jim]

I thought he was referring to this.

 

http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/15/news/economy/trump-tariff-ford-mexico/

 

So who know's what gatorboy is talking about.

[DC Tom]

I thought he was referring to this.

 

http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/15/news/economy/trump-tariff-ford-mexico/

 

So who know's what gatorboy is talking about.

 

Thus...why I asked for a link.

[boyst]

I completely missed it.

 

I assume the offending posts must have been deleted.

 

Thanks.

I didn't even see it. Someone pointed it out and I never even saw it in time.

 

I didn't even care it was up. Dog14120 or whatever did the same thing and got perm banned. Check your mom's, also

[boyst]

Lybob perma-banned

Gatorman returns

Coincidence?

maybe I should make him mad and we find out? I honestly didn't care what he did, like I don't deal with real life every d?ay There was no chance his accusations of criminal behavior were valid.

 

All I ever told him was he should remove it before the mods do. He didn't. They saw it. He was deleted. I had no problem with him. He is a passionate guy in his beliefs and the election didn't help

[Nanker]

I think we lost BeerBall in the same battle.

[boyst]

I think we lost BeerBall in the same battle.

no. Beerball was lost in a giant kaep thread. The yuge one that came here. He disciplined anyone commenting with right side politics while left leaning posts were ignored. There were two very left posters here who attacked anyone in that thread. Who didn't go left. One rarely posts. The other still does. He provoked major arguments and selectively replied to anger and annoymothers. Wild accusations and things spoken as truths he would not sufficiently defend, like not at all. When he did he moved the goal post and linked an incredible bias site... If he did at all.

 

Pay attention to my posts you'll see who I'm talking about

Edited December 2, 2016 by Boyst62

[keepthefaith]

I thought he was referring to this.

 

http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/15/news/economy/trump-tariff-ford-mexico/

 

So who know's what gatorboy is talking about.

Now there may be some truth that such a tariff would hurt the U.S. economy but there is something really humorous about lefties screaming about over taxation.

[Deranged Rhino]

...wait, Beerball is gone?

[Maury Ballstein]

...wait, Beerball is gone?

I blame Kaepernicks fro.

 

Badol will be gone too if you follow up on your McCoy debate. Hah!

Edited December 2, 2016 by Ryan L Billz

[Nanker]

no. Beerball was lost in a giant kaep thread. The yuge one that came here. He disciplined anyone commenting with right side politics while left leaning posts were ignored. There were two very left posters here who attacked anyone in that thread. Who didn't go left. One rarely posts. The other still does. He provoked major arguments and selectively replied to anger and annoymothers. Wild accusations and things spoken as truths he would not sufficiently defend, like not at all. When he did he moved the goal post and linked an incredible bias site... If he did at all.

 

Pay attention to my posts you'll see who I'm talking about

I know. The Corner.

 

...wait, Beerball is gone?

I think it's a self-imposed exile. Maybe taking awhile to get his blood pressure down below the boiling point.

[boyst]

I know. The Corner.

 

I think it's a self-imposed exile. Maybe taking awhile to get his blood pressure down below the boiling point.

by evidence from Facebook he is well. He, Gugny and country Cletus went to the Bengals game together.

[Chef Jim]

He, Gugny and country Cletus went to the Bengals game together.

Awww isn't that cute. But could the bastard make it to the first Bills game I've been to in 25 years??

[Tiberius]

Some experts say the deal sets a troubling precedent.

"It’s a potentially dangerous policy where you reward a company that threatens to leave. It’s a dangerous precedent. Why wouldn’t every other company make the exact same pitch?" said Steve Weitzner of Silverlode Consulting, a site-selection firm. "In this case, you’re rewarding a company that is actually cutting a lot of jobs in the state."

Trump, however, has criticized the use of such incentives.

"I’ve watched as politicians talked about stopping companies from leaving our states," Trump said at a Pennsylvania campaign rally in August: " 'Here’s a tax abatement of any kind you want. We’ll help your employees.' It doesn’t work, folks. That’s not what they need. They have money. They want to go out, they want to move to another country, and because our politicians are so dumb, they want to sell their product to us and not have any retribution, not have any consequence."

Instead of incentives, Trump frequently called for tariffs as high as 35% on products produced by companies that move their factories outside the United States. Those threats were often aimed at Carrier.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/12/01/carrier-incentives-stir-debate-over-rewarding-offshoring/94781008/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

 

I thought it was the general threat of tariffs and of UT losing their government contracts.

 

Even though everything I've seen written on it says "Was there a threat? Well, even though there wasn't one, there must have been one implied, because we're begging the question..."

 

So I'm honestly wondering of gatortard actually read somewhere that Carrier was specifically threatened. Because everything else I could find says "no...but c'mon, you know they were."

Instead of incentives, Trump frequently called for tariffs as high as 35% on products produced by companies that move their factories outside the United States. Those threats were often aimed at Carrier.

 

That from the USA Today article I posted

Have the exact terms of the Carrier "deal" been made public? Hard to evaluate the deal yet. Other than that, Trump hasn't been sworn in yet, so just maybe all judgements of his performance as president should be withheld for a while.

Why is he interfering in a businesses decision making? President's are not suppose to go after businesses like that.

[Tiberius]

Even the Wall Street journal is calling these actions a shakedown of business. Where is the outrage over this National Socialist style of government? Crazy!

[Tiberius]

Larry Summers:

 

Summers, in a Dec. 2 blog post, said Trump’s intervention was a dangerous shift away from American-style capitalism.

“A principle is being established: it is good for the president to try to figure out what people want and lean on companies to give it to them,” Summers wrote. “Presidents have enormous latent power and it is the custom of restraint in its use that is one of the important differences between us and banana republics.”

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-12-04/trump-warns-u-s-companies-against-very-expensive-mistake

[DC Tom]

That from the USA Today article I posted

 

Which 1) isn't true, judging from the multitude of other sources that say otherwise, and 2) you only posted well after you refused to, which indicates you were originally talking out of your ass, and it took you a while to find an ex post facto justification of your bull ****, likely because of the multitude of other sources that say otherwise. You !@#$ing twerp.

Even the Wall Street journal is calling these actions a shakedown of business. Where is the outrage over this National Socialist style of government? Crazy!

 

Link?

 

(And that's not National Socialism. You'd know that if you actually read Tooze like you claim.)

[Tiberius]

Which 1) isn't true, judging from the multitude of other sources that say otherwise, and 2) you only posted well after you refused to, which indicates you were originally talking out of your ass, and it took you a while to find an ex post facto justification of your bull ****, likely because of the multitude of other sources that say otherwise. You !@#$ing twerp.

 

Link?

 

(And that's not National Socialism. You'd know that if you actually read Tooze like you claim.)

Poor little Tom, what to do?

[Tiberius]

Singling out Boeing now...

 

http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-says-u-s-should-cancel-order-for-new-air-force-one-citing-costs-1481034941

 

 

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-boeing-air-force-one-232243

 

"Trump's tweet came just 22 minutes after the Chicago Tribune published comments by Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg, who said he worried that Trump's promises of a more protectionist trade policy could hurt his company, which does robust business with China. Muilenburg told the Tribune that he would urge the president-elect to take a warmer stance toward the kinds of trade deals he railed against on the campaign trail, warning, "If we do not lead when it comes to writing these rules, our competitors will write them for us."'