GG Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Huh? There is a HUGE difference between holding and intentionally hurting a player. YOUR SLIPPERY SLOPE isn't even workable as the game would continue and give the team a first down and a chance to win it. Leave it to bills fans (one of the most penalized teams the last 2 years) to come up with this scenario. What are you talking about? Bengals only chance on that play is to commit a defensive foul, and the best available option is to take a run at the punter. If the unprotected punter gets hurt, it's only because Bengals were playing situational football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxum Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Huh? There is a HUGE difference between holding and intentionally hurting a player. YOUR SLIPPERY SLOPE isn't even workable as the game would continue and give the team a first down and a chance to win it. Leave it to bills fans (one of the most penalized teams the last 2 years) to come up with this scenario. Go find some old ladies to cheat out of their welfare checks. I was referring to Ndamukong Ngwa Suh who ALREADY has been penalized in past for stomping on Aaron Rodgers who plays for Miami currently. And P*ts are the most penalized team in NFL for cheating but obviously that does not count in your book to no surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 gotcha. guess he misseed the memo from rex. bellichick would have cut ej for that. Could have been worse.. he could have snapped the ball like the Colts did against the Pats a couple years ago . (Doing that trick play with everyone lined up away from the ball except for the center and QB lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Could have been worse.. he could have snapped the ball like the Colts did against the Pats a couple years ago . (Doing that trick play with everyone lined up away from the ball except for the center and QB lol) Thank heavens for the small mercy that Colt Anderson is on our IR list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 (edited) Go find some old ladies to cheat out of their welfare checks. I was referring to Ndamukong Ngwa Suh who ALREADY has been penalized in past for stomping on Aaron Rodgers who plays for Miami currently. And P*ts are the most penalized team in NFL for cheating but obviously that does not count in your book to no surprise. That "fact" is also false. Pats are one of the lowest penalized teams for "cheating" in the NFL. And when they are caught a huge deal made out of it because of who they are... (spygate - all over location of the camera not the taping. deflategate -- lol they can't even prove the balls were deflated for the AFCCG but the only team truly effected by the stricter enforcement of the ball PSI... GB? ) So why don't you go cheer for the Bills and stop getting butt hurt because another team (Ravens) have a coach who uses his brains and you don't. This is not a "spiral into dispare" crap! If the Pats did it ESPN, local news etc be covering it as a blatant slap in the face of the Integrity of the game. Since the Ravens did it (crickets) which IMO is the way it should be. Edited November 28, 2016 by PatsFanNH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Didn't the Ravens do the exact same thing in the same situation in the Super Bowl against the 49ers? I don't think they were able to run the clock completely out in that situation but they prevented the Niners from having time for an offensive play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 What are you talking about? Bengals only chance on that play is to commit a defensive foul, and the best available option is to take a run at the punter. If the unprotected punter gets hurt, it's only because Bengals were playing situational football. wouldnt there be a variety of defensive holding, maybe a non rip the head off facemask, etc.... that would be easier options? regardless, if the offense declined that penalty the game would end though, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 wouldnt there be a variety of defensive holding, maybe a non rip the head off facemask, etc.... that would be easier options? regardless, if the offense declined that penalty the game would end though, no? I don't see how you can commit a defensive holding foul when there isn't a single offensive player leaving the line of scrimmage. The only available option is to commit a personal foul, which carries a higher probability of injury. The offense wouldn't have the option to decline because the fouls would offset and the down replayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 I don't see how you can commit a defensive holding foul when there isn't a single offensive player leaving the line of scrimmage. The only available option is to commit a personal foul, which carries a higher probability of injury. The offense wouldn't have the option to decline because the fouls would offset and the down replayed. Even if they had offsetting penalties they would replay the down with zero secs there is no way the bengals could have gotten the ball back in this scenario now if they change the rule and have it enforced on the following play and force the ravens to kick that's different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Someone help me out, why couldn't the Bengals decline the Ravens' holding penalty on 4th down and take over the ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Even if they had offsetting penalties they would replay the down with zero secs there is no way the bengals could have gotten the ball back in this scenario now if they change the rule and have it enforced on the following play and force the ravens to kick that's different Way stop it IMO be give the D options of run 10 seconds off, ADD 10 seconds, accept or decline the penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Someone help me out, why couldn't the Bengals decline the Ravens' holding penalty on 4th down and take over the ball? The clock was at zero so the game was over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Someone help me out, why couldn't the Bengals decline the Ravens' holding penalty on 4th down and take over the ball? Because there is a rule that if the offense makes a penalty under a minute left in the game the refs are to run off 10 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Way stop it IMO be give the D options of run 10 seconds off, ADD 10 seconds, accept or decline the penalty. Thing is they can't add time the reason they can subtract time is to avoid Stopping the clock They can only have a untimed down forcing the offense to kick to them But this adds another loop hole let's say last play off the game and you need to score you could in theory hold purposely down field (on a hook and later type situation down field) making it ten yards from the spot (allowing you to still gain yards and stop the clock) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Thing is they can't add time the reason they can subtract time is to avoid Stopping the clock They can only have a untimed down forcing the offense to kick to them But this adds another loop hole let's say last play off the game and you need to score you could in theory hold purposely down field (on a hook and later type situation down field) making it ten yards from the spot (allowing you to still gain yards and stop the clock) I think there will always be loop holes. I don't think you could ever close every hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Even if they had offsetting penalties they would replay the down with zero secs there is no way the bengals could have gotten the ball back in this scenario now if they change the rule and have it enforced on the following play and force the ravens to kick that's different If they replay the down, there's a chance for a bad snap or something else to happen for Bengals to score. The entire exercise is to run another play to give Bengals a chance, no matter how remote the odds are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 If they replay the down, there's a chance for a bad snap or something else to happen for Bengals to score. The entire exercise is to run another play to give Bengals a chance, no matter how remote the odds are. Yes I get that but all they would have to do is spike it or fall on the snap bc only 0:00 remains on the clock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Yes I get that but all they would have to do is spike it or fall on the snap bc only 0:00 remains on the clock And that's where the remote probability of a fumbled snap comes into play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 The clock was at zero so the game was over. Because there is a rule that if the offense makes a penalty under a minute left in the game the refs are to run off 10 seconds. Thanks, looking up and watching the video helped too (link in this article had video removed). The best way to close loopholes is to allow the refs to flag and assess a penalty for "disrespecting the game". That would eliminate the need to make up new loophole closing rules when crap like this happens. It's just poor sportsmanship what Harbaugh did, yep it's smart in that it isn't disallowed in the rulebook but it's cowardly and is not how football should be played. You give power to the refs in this situation to throw a flag for disrespecting the game, half the distance to the goal line, Cincinnati ball with 11 seconds back on the clock and see how many coaches try to pull this kind of crap in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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