Chef Jim Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 So wait are some of you suggesting that our enemies (Russia/China et al) have hacked emails and servers here in the US? BTW I'm surprised no one has said this is a perfect reason why Hillary using her own server was a really bad and stupid idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 BTW I'm surprised no one has said this is a perfect reason why Hillary using her own server was a really bad and stupid idea. No, that was okay because she wiped it with a cloth, remember? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Ay-ah-ah-ah-ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Speaking of wiping it clean I wonder how much classified stuff is on her scanner's hard drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 VOTE FRAUD: Detroit News: Too many votes in 37% of Detroit’s precincts. I think we need to audit this election, and put in place anti-fraud provisions before 2020. I’m sure that all the Democrats who’ve been screaming about fraud will support that, so it should be a bipartisan project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 I think we all know the DNC 27 year old kid Seth Rich who was murdered at 3:00 AM on the streets of Washington, DC was the leaker. Were the Rooskies involved? Perhaps. Perhaps the Clintonistas hired them to rub him out. It fits their M. O. This is really the only thing that I'm harping on BF for, he's completely omitting the months of evidence -- circumstantial as it may be on the surface -- that there is more than just Russia v the West happening in order to force a conclusion. There is an ongoing conflict going on behind the scenes of the US intelligence community. Russia didn't engineer that conflict. They may have taken advantage of it... but one accusation is very different than the other. You simply cannot analyze and interpret what's happening in the media and the country today without factoring that into your analysis. And BF (now I'm just using him as an example of the MSM and the left at large because he's staying on message to the point of absurdity) isn't bringing any of that evidence into his thinking before reaching the conclusion he's pre-determined to be 100% accurate. That kind of confirmation bias is what got us into Iraq. So wait are some of you suggesting that our enemies (Russia/China et al) have hacked emails and servers here in the US? BTW I'm surprised no one has said this is a perfect reason why Hillary using her own server was a really bad and stupid idea. What's really funny is BF is so up in arms about this "hack" (a nonsense term in this context of course) yet he was silent during the OPM hacks (which were actual hacks) in 2015. The OPM hacks are, without question, far more damaging to our national security than what may have gone down this election cycle. If the Russians did everything BF thinks they did, then the worst they're guilty of is pushing propaganda and playing sides. That, in comparison to what happened in 2015, is child's play. The Chinese (we assume) stole the personnel records of over 22 million government employees -- the kind of information that intelligence services across the world would literally kill for because of its use in blackmailing and creating assets inside the US Government. Where was all this outrage back then? Oh, right. It wasn't a thing because that would require thinking critically about 44's administration and its shortcomings and no one at the Times or WashPost was telling him to be outraged about it. The left and the MSM's position on the alleged Russian interference and their assault on "fake news" is completely misguided. It places the blame on outside parties rather than putting the blame where it belongs: on us. The people. We have more access to information than ever before, with that comes a responsibility to be better educated in order to differentiate the propaganda (which comes at us from all sides, including our own) from our actual reality. This is an incredibly time consuming task, no question about it, but that's why it's called "work". You gotta do the work and not rely on others to do it for you. The solution isn't censorship or neo-McCarthyism, it's up to us to be better. ...Of course, the fascists on the left think that people are incapable of helping themselves so this dereliction in responsibility fits their world view perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 The OPM hacks are, without question, far more damaging to our national security than what may have gone down this election cycle. If the Russians did everything BF thinks they did, then the worst they're guilty of is pushing propaganda and playing sides. That, in comparison to what happened in 2015, is child's play. The Chinese (we assume) stole the personnel records of over 22 million government employees -- the kind of information that intelligence services across the world would literally kill for because of its use in blackmailing and creating assets inside the US Government. No, we know it was the Chinese. The solution isn't censorship or neo-McCarthyism, it's up to us to be better. ...Of course, the fascists on the left think that people are incapable of helping themselves so this dereliction in responsibility fits their world view perfectly. Given that the fascists on the left ran a candidate who was incapable of taking care of her own data, their world view, while warped, is completely understandable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 No, we know it was the Chinese. Yes, agreed. I only added that to avoid any nit-picking type of rebuttal. Given that the fascists on the left ran a candidate who was incapable of taking care of her own data, their world view, while warped, is completely understandable. Also agreed. It's just frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Yes, agreed. I only added that to avoid any nit-picking type of rebuttal. Thus guaranteeing that you'd get a nitpicking type of rebuttal from the poster that is the biggest nitpicker here. Good plan,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Thus guaranteeing that you'd get a nitpicking type of rebuttal from the poster that is the biggest nitpicker here. Good plan,,, I read this and was wondering who you were talking about. Then 2.5 seconds went by...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 I read this and was wondering who you were talking about. Then 2.5 seconds went by...... Don't you mean 2.537 seconds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinreaper Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 In his old age he is slowing down a bit. My guess is it's 3.5 something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 That brings up a question. How much nit could a nitpicker pick, if a nitpicker could pick nit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Franklin Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 (edited) This is unproven and so far seems to be false. The Russians did not "hack" anything election related. At worst they are the source of the wiki leaks docs but even that is highly doubtful. I'm not, and never have been, arguing there shouldn't be an investigation. I've just been pointing out you're reaching a conclusion before doing the investigation. "The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations. The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process. Such activity is not new to Moscowthe Russians have used similar tactics and techniques across Europe and Eurasia, for example, to influence public opinion there. We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities." That's a fact. The CIA briefed members of Congress on the hack with more details and that spurred Congress to inquire deeper. Also a fact. The USIC has not seen fit to reveal all the details of its investigation to the public. Maybe the Russians can hack that out of them but until they do, they will probably act like intel agencies and keep their methods under wraps. I don't have access to do the investigation source materials. Going off the facts as known. A week ago the talk of Russian hacking was mocked. Now it's just mocked by Trump. He will come around too. Edited December 14, 2016 by Benjamin Franklin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 How many voting booths got hacked? How many polling places had their vote counts changed by the Rooskies/Chinese/KidsAtMIT? How many states changed color because of the activities mentioned above? Which ones were they, and did they change to blue or red? How many electoral votes did Hillary lose because of the activities mentioned above? How many hours of outrage did she spend because of the activities mentioned above? Inquiring minds want to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 That brings up a question. How much nit could a nitpicker pick, if a nitpicker could pick nit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Franklin Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 (edited) How many voting booths got hacked? How many polling places had their vote counts changed by the Rooskies/Chinese/KidsAtMIT? How many states changed color because of the activities mentioned above? Which ones were they, and did they change to blue or red? How many electoral votes did Hillary lose because of the activities mentioned above? How many hours of outrage did she spend because of the activities mentioned above? Inquiring minds want to know. None but that's not the issue. Trump won. That ship sailed. Russians hacked into highly placed election officials and disseminated those documents publicly with intent. Question: Does this bother you? Good story in the NY Times today about the DNC's bumbling response to the hack including the email from the IT guy who told Podesta to follow the fraudulent link to change his password. Edited December 14, 2016 by Benjamin Franklin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Yes, because you can't stand up to a real discussion when it challenges your political view of the world. That's called living in a bubble. This is unproven and so far seems to be false. The Russians did not "hack" anything election related. At worst they are the source of the wiki leaks docs but even that is highly doubtful. I'm not, and never have been, arguing there shouldn't be an investigation. I've just been pointing out you're reaching a conclusion before doing the investigation. That's why your position is so silly. Are you saying that hacking into private conversations of top people in one political party, and then releasing them to the public in the months leading up to an election was NOT election related and had zero effect? Only morons are claiming that Russians hacked into the voting systems. But the same thing can be said about people who claim that the hack had no effect on the election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 So the Russians, Chinese et al. have been hacking us for years but now because it prevented the Queen's ascent to the throne it becomes a big deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Are you saying that hacking into private conversations of top people in one political party, and then releasing them to the public in the months leading up to an election was NOT election related and had zero effect? Only morons are claiming that Russians hacked into the voting systems. But the same thing can be said about people who claim that the hack had no effect on the election. We don't know that it was the Russians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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