unbillievable Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 So anyone with enough cash has the right to demand recounts in any cherry picked areas they wish? Abso-freaking-lutely. -As long as the application is processed before the deadline so it doesn't delay the inevitable. How many jobs does it create? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 Poor Jill. That mean old judge told her she had to pony up some real cash to carry her charade into PA. http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/03/politics/jill-stein-drops-pennsylvania-recount/index.html?adkey=bn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 (edited) The people trying to stop the recount are as delusional as the ones calling for it. Let them recount the votes. They paid for it. This is still a (relatively) capitalist country. If they want to flush their money away, let them do it. If it reveals an irregularity, we might finally get some voter ID's laws passed. At the very least, we can relive Trump's victory again. I want to see Hilary win the popular vote by 10 million and still lose the EC. They are trying to undermine the very system they said was intact a month ago. They are trying to make the election of donald trump as much of a joke as they can. But most importantly the voter ID laws have nothing to do with what happened By the way, there is no winning the popular vote. And what would those calling for a recount be called or made to be had Hillary won? Edited December 4, 2016 by Boyst62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 They are trying to undermine the very system they said was intact a month ago. They are trying to make the election of donald trump as much of a joke as they can. But most importantly the voter ID laws have nothing to do with what happened By the way, there is no winning the popular vote. And what would those calling for a recount be called or made to be had Hillary won? A recount doesn't undermine an election. It re-enforces the legitimacy of the vote. There should be an automatic recount after every vote to confirm the results. If we are serious about every vote counting, then make sure. There is massive voter fraud going on. People this passionate about something will try to cheat. There is no disputing that fact. We're relying on an honor system to self-regulate people who literally cry and threaten murder over the results. Voter ID's would be a start... I left a bowl of candy out on Halloween with a note to take only one. Apparently, I had 200 trick-or-treaters visit my house the first 5minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 A recount doesn't undermine an election. It re-enforces the legitimacy of the vote. There should be an automatic recount after every vote to confirm the results. If we are serious about every vote counting, then make sure. There is massive voter fraud going on. People this passionate about something will try to cheat. There is no disputing that fact. We're relying on an honor system to self-regulate people who literally cry and threaten murder over the results. Voter ID's would be a start... I left a bowl of candy out on Halloween with a note to take only one. Apparently, I had 200 trick-or-treaters visit my house the first 5minutes. so now the dems should support a voter Id law if they really cared about the integrity of the vote which they don't since they won't recount the closest states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 A recount doesn't undermine an election. It re-enforces the legitimacy of the vote. Except that to have a recount done, you have to show a cause for it...which means you have to make a convincing argument that the vote is not legitimate, which hardly reinforces the legitimacy of the vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 (edited) Poor Jill. That mean old judge told her she had to pony up some real cash to carry her charade into PA. http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/03/politics/jill-stein-drops-pennsylvania-recount/index.html?adkey=bn What with her attempt to hold onto the contributions she's raised and her choice of states whose results she's contesting, I'm beginning to think that Stein is trying to set herself up as the nominee for the Dems in 2020. There's very little difference between the Green agenda and that of the likes of Sanders and Warren. Edited December 4, 2016 by Azalin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 (edited) Except that to have a recount done, you have to show a cause for it...which means you have to make a convincing argument that the vote is not legitimate, which hardly reinforces the legitimacy of the vote. We won't do a recount unless we find illegitimacy, yet we won't find that, unless you do a recount. Isn't that the left's argument against voter ID's? (prove to us there is fraud before we can allow you to check for fraud.) If something is found, then steps can be taken to re-store confidence in future elections, which re-enforces legitimacy in the system. If nothing is found, then the voting is already legit. It's a win-win situation. Jill Stein's reasons are obviously biased, but we can use it to accomplish something positive. Edited December 4, 2016 by unbillievable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 Pennsylvania recount dead. This whole charade is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Gatorgal doesn't understand the way the electoral college works. What an embarrassment. No doubt she'll be the Dem's nominee in 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 The recount effort underway in Wisconsin is turning out to have some disappointing results for former Green Party nominee Jill Stein and former Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton. The Wisconsin Election Commission posts daily recount results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Thanks, Jill: Michigan House passes voter-ID bill after vote-fraud hyperboleBe careful what you wish for … you just might get it. Jill Stein didn’t get the recount she wanted in Michigan, but she did get the state to take vote-integrity issues seriously. Meeting in its lame-duck session, the state House of Representatives passed a tough voter-ID bill that includes $3 million for funding of free state identification and birth certificates after over 18,000 voters cast ballots without identification in the presidential election: Michigan’s Republican-led House on Wednesday night approved a strict voter identification proposal over strenuous objections from Democrats who argued the plan could disenfranchise properly registered voters. Michigan voters without photo identification could still cast a provisional ballot under the controversial legislation, but they would have to bring an ID to their local clerk’s office within 10 days of an election in order for their vote to count. Current law requires a photo ID too, but also allows for voters to sign an affidavit under oath that attests to their identity and eligibility. The House might have had ample reason to wonder about abuse under that system when looking at the distribution of the practice. The Detroit News’ Jonathan Oostling reports that almost half of all such votes took place in heavily Democratic Wayne County, and almost 6,000 in the city of Detroit alone. That seems oddly disproportional, given that Wayne County accounted for just 16% of the state’s total. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Good. Thanks Jilly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Where is 26cornerbich who insisted in the kaepernick thread that voter fraud isn't real, voter IDs are unconstitutional and that this is a system to oppress? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Franklin Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/12/08/republicans-ready-to-launch-wide-ranging-probe-of-russia-despite-trumps-stance/ Good to see Republicans taking the Russian hack seriously even if many people thought Russia did us a favor by hacking us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnyguy Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Now allegations that Homeland Security attempted to hack into the Georgia election database? For what reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Security of the homeland of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinreaper Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Now allegations that Homeland Security attempted to hack into the Georgia election database? For what reason? It might be helpful if you provided a link. It's like you came to a dinner party and didn't at least bring a bottle of wine for the host. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 It might be helpful if you provided a link. It's like you came to a dinner party and didn't at least bring a bottle of wine for the host. Or bread that you don't put out with the coffee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 It might be helpful if you provided a link. It's like you came to a dinner party and didn't at least bring a bottle of wine for the host. Based on his posting record I think we'd all be better if he just left his choice of wine and home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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