Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 25, 2016 Posted November 25, 2016 http://buffalonews.com/2016/11/24/seantrel-henderson-misses-practice-sources-say-possibility-second-nfl-suspension-looms/ He has been horrible anyway. We seriously need to draft a RT high this yr. we could be Dallas with a better line.
Bob in Mich Posted November 25, 2016 Posted November 25, 2016 WEO, you are a funny guy. I still find it hard to believe you are a doctor. You constantly derive conclusions without the facts to make those conclusions. I would expect my doctor to be much more logical and not spout such gibberish. Are you doctors aware of the restrictions in the US on cannabis research? You keep harping on the fact that there aren't well designed studies definitively proving cannabis' effectiveness when (as you likely know) those studies have not been allowed in our country until very, very recently. So, it is not that it is not effective, researchers have not been able to perform studies on cannabis UNLESS the study was designed to prove the harm of cannabis. NIDA would not approve of studies designed to demonstrate benefits of cannabis. Also, it is maddening to hear you doctors present yourselves as experts on this topic (in several threads) when it is clear, you aren't really very knowledgeable. You seem, generally speaking, to be so concerned with the euphoric effects that you don't look any deeper into possible benefits. You may be medical experts but it is clear you are not experts with respect to the body's endocannabinoid system. Please, stop pretending to be!
simpleman Posted November 25, 2016 Posted November 25, 2016 For them not letting him use a drug that is federally illegal and not legal in his state of employment and collectively bargained to be against the leagues rules? I expect it wouldn't get toooooo far even though I agree the Nfl should change policy While you have slept through the past few years, Medical MJ has been legal in NYS. Not sure of his use of it in this case, but it could in fact be legal.Not disagreeing with your statement about league rules, but he is not against the laws of NY if he is using it in NYS and he is acquiring it properly for medical usage. This may be strictly a simple labor dispute, rather than a legal violation.
billsintaiwan Posted November 25, 2016 Posted November 25, 2016 My father has Crohn's disease. Has for 10 years. I can assure you marijuana isn't the only way to cope with the disease. My mother does and it helps greatly. Also a rather restricted diet.
Andrew Son Posted November 25, 2016 Posted November 25, 2016 WEO, you are a funny guy. I still find it hard to believe you are a doctor. You constantly derive conclusions without the facts to make those conclusions. I would expect my doctor to be much more logical and not spout such gibberish. Are you doctors aware of the restrictions in the US on cannabis research? You keep harping on the fact that there aren't well designed studies definitively proving cannabis' effectiveness when (as you likely know) those studies have not been allowed in our country until very, very recently. So, it is not that it is not effective, researchers have not been able to perform studies on cannabis UNLESS the study was designed to prove the harm of cannabis. NIDA would not approve of studies designed to demonstrate benefits of cannabis. Also, it is maddening to hear you doctors present yourselves as experts on this topic (in several threads) when it is clear, you aren't really very knowledgeable. You seem, generally speaking, to be so concerned with the euphoric effects that you don't look any deeper into possible benefits. You may be medical experts but it is clear you are not experts with respect to the body's endocannabinoid system. Please, stop pretending to be! Yeah, it is really the anti inflammatory effects that are helpful for chrons. Not just the masking of feeling high. Doctors comments on this topic are concerning
Maury Ballstein Posted November 25, 2016 Posted November 25, 2016 Yeah, it is really the anti inflammatory effects that are helpful for chrons. Not just the masking of feeling high. Doctors comments on this topic are concerning I would put more stock into the testimonials of folks afflicted with crohn's over the doctors.
Andrew Son Posted November 25, 2016 Posted November 25, 2016 I'm for legalization, friend. Its just beating. a dead horse. No one is changing their opinion on this. Ever Odd statement you continue to make considering many, many people are changing their minds on this issue. Evidenced by the growing list of states with passed initiatives I would put more stock into the testimonials of folks afflicted with crohn's over the doctors.I may have worded that poorly. My concern is for the doctors and their patients, not for the efficacy of cannabis for chrons
iinii Posted November 25, 2016 Posted November 25, 2016 I'm for legalization, friend. Its just beating. a dead horse. No one is changing their opinion on this. Ever Speaking of dead horses, did you know there are 75k Wild horses roaming the country and it is a problem.
Mr. WEO Posted November 25, 2016 Posted November 25, 2016 WEO, you are a funny guy. I still find it hard to believe you are a doctor. You constantly derive conclusions without the facts to make those conclusions. I would expect my doctor to be much more logical and not spout such gibberish. Are you doctors aware of the restrictions in the US on cannabis research? You keep harping on the fact that there aren't well designed studies definitively proving cannabis' effectiveness when (as you likely know) those studies have not been allowed in our country until very, very recently. So, it is not that it is not effective, researchers have not been able to perform studies on cannabis UNLESS the study was designed to prove the harm of cannabis. NIDA would not approve of studies designed to demonstrate benefits of cannabis. Also, it is maddening to hear you doctors present yourselves as experts on this topic (in several threads) when it is clear, you aren't really very knowledgeable. You seem, generally speaking, to be so concerned with the euphoric effects that you don't look any deeper into possible benefits. You may be medical experts but it is clear you are not experts with respect to the body's endocannabinoid system. Please, stop pretending to be! I've made clear that I am not an expert in the medical treatment of Crohn's disease. I get surgical referrals from those experts. None of them treat their patients by having them smoke weed. You can pretend that the overwhelming majority of Chron's researchers and specialists who treat these patients have no idea what they are doing because they don't accept the evidence of a handful of small uncontrolled studies describing benefits or MJ in these patients. I really don't care--we see this all the time: "all these doctors have no idea what they are doing!", etc. Which is fine because it's meaningless. The bolded sentence in your rant is wrong. NIDA actually is the sole funder of the growth of MJ used for research in this country. Here you go: “The products were quite limited, as far as what we could get from them (before),” Wallace said. “Now, the NIH is coming out with a lot of different products for research, as far as oils, extracts and different strains that have different levels of THC (the psychoactive cannabinoid in marijuana) versus CBD.” NIDA’s marijuana grow at Mississippi is producing more varieties of marijuana that should be similar to medical marijuana in the states that have approved it, ElSohly said. It’s also growing 30 times more marijuana than it did under its last contract with NIDA, two signs that researchers and NIH branches are requesting much more marijuana for medical studies." Also, there is nothing preventing every other country in the world from performing any MJ study they want to, as they don't have to deal with the DEA. Likewise, there is nothing preventing private companies and investors from funding the research themselves and therefore bypassing federal funding agencies. I'm sure you mean well, but to have an intelligent discussion, you have to bring a certain level of intelligence to the table. Ranting about dumb doctors and the evils of NIDA are the typical conspiracy paranoia that fuels the position of the group you are in. While you have slept through the past few years, Medical MJ has been legal in NYS. Not sure of his use of it in this case, but it could in fact be legal.Not disagreeing with your statement about league rules, but he is not against the laws of NY if he is using it in NYS and he is acquiring it properly for medical usage. This may be strictly a simple labor dispute, rather than a legal violation. Perhaps he meant that Henderson, without a prescription from a registered provider and procurement from a state approved dispenser, is smoking weed illegally in NYS.
BringBackOrton Posted November 25, 2016 Posted November 25, 2016 I've made clear that I am not an expert in the medical treatment of Crohn's disease. I get surgical referrals from those experts. None of them treat their patients by having them smoke weed. You can pretend that the overwhelming majority of Chron's researchers and specialists who treat these patients have no idea what they are doing because they don't accept the evidence of a handful of small uncontrolled studies describing benefits or MJ in these patients. I really don't care--we see this all the time: "all these doctors have no idea what they are doing!", etc. Which is fine because it's meaningless. The bolded sentence in your rant is wrong. NIDA actually is the sole funder of the growth of MJ used for research in this country. Here you go: The products were quite limited, as far as what we could get from them (before), Wallace said. Now, the NIH is coming out with a lot of different products for research, as far as oils, extracts and different strains that have different levels of THC (the psychoactive cannabinoid in marijuana) versus CBD. NIDAs marijuana grow at Mississippi is producing more varieties of marijuana that should be similar to medical marijuana in the states that have approved it, ElSohly said. Its also growing 30 times more marijuana than it did under its last contract with NIDA, two signs that researchers and NIH branches are requesting much more marijuana for medical studies." Also, there is nothing preventing every other country in the world from performing any MJ study they want to, as they don't have to deal with the DEA. Likewise, there is nothing preventing private companies and investors from funding the research themselves and therefore bypassing federal funding agencies. I'm sure you mean well, but to have an intelligent discussion, you have to bring a certain level of intelligence to the table. Ranting about dumb doctors and the evils of NIDA are the typical conspiracy paranoia that fuels the position of the group you are in. Perhaps he meant that Henderson, without a prescription from a registered provider and procurement from a state approved dispenser, is smoking weed illegally in NYS. BOOOOOOOOOOM!
baskingridgebillsfan Posted November 25, 2016 Posted November 25, 2016 NFL stance on put us horrible. The list of pain killer they allow are far stronger end have addictive properties. IMo the NFL stance is strictly a pr move to appease the ignorant segment of our population
3rdand12 Posted November 25, 2016 Posted November 25, 2016 I thinks there's something to the use of marijuana to deal with the pain of cancer. While marijuana is not an analgesic itself, it is anxiolytic, which can help ease the psychological stress of pain. There are some articles out there about THC receptors not only being present in the central nervous system, but also on white blood cells, where they *may* modulate immune function. But, at this point in time, I just don't see any legitimate gastroenterologist urging their patient to smoke marijuana, especially when they know it's going to lead to an automatic suspension. A good doctor would search for appropriate alternatives. Although different, smoking tobacco can really worsen a patient's Crohn's. While marijuana is not tobacco, the point is smoking marijuana could even be harmful for Crohn's, we just don't know and need much more data before labeling it "beneficial". keep in mind, most of the cancer patients use edibles. Smoking is bad no matter what Speaking of dead horses, did you know there are 75k Wild horses roaming the country and it is a problem. Appaloosas. yes. and they shoot them to eradicate the what the American Indian (Plains ) revered as a special being. When the government took the horses away from them they ran wild. Have we considered Seantrel has made his decision? And may have just waiting for this moment? Or is it possible he was tested and still showed residuals from months ago? I do not know that the league plays fair about these matters. NFL stance on put us horrible. The list of pain killer they allow are far stronger end have addictive properties. IMo the NFL stance is strictly a pr move to appease the ignorant segment of our population It is not just the NFL. Remember when hemp threatened the cotton industry ? but this should be about Seantrel Henderson. Not another " Cannabis" regurgitation
Mr. WEO Posted November 25, 2016 Posted November 25, 2016 NFL stance on put us horrible. The list of pain killer they allow are far stronger end have addictive properties. IMo the NFL stance is strictly a pr move to appease the ignorant segment of our population It's tough to type while coughing..
boyst Posted November 25, 2016 Posted November 25, 2016 Speaking of dead horses, did you know there are 75k Wild horses roaming the country and it is a problem.yes. There are adoption programs but most are sent to mexico for meat since the us all but blocked horse slaughter Odd statement you continue to make considering many, many people are changing their minds on this issue. Evidenced by the growing list of states with passed initiatives I may have worded that poorly. My concern is for the doctors and their patients, not for the efficacy of cannabis for chrons no. I don't buy this one second. They were purple who didn't care. Most don't. Same with HB2 and all such social political. Weed is stupid. But people have every right yo be stupid until they take someone else's rights away. And that's my issue. There is a large population of pot heads that think its OK to go toke then drive or go to work. That's not cool. When we can test for it I'll support it more. When we still allow employees to didcipik discipline it. That's what's first... People don't have their minds changed. They just don't care. And they care less and less over time after so much white noise
iinii Posted November 25, 2016 Posted November 25, 2016 (edited) Now back to our regularly scheduled programming. How do you know Henderson was smoking weed? There are assumptions being made and you know what they say about that. Testing positive can come from any number of derivatives. He may be ingesting "pot" orally. He may be ingesting "pot" that is high, no pun intended, in cannabinoids and not THC. Maybe it is none of our business what he puts in his body and why. Maybe he doesn't care what you think either, but at least in the court of public opinion he has failed. Now back to the dead horses in Mexico..... Edited November 25, 2016 by iinii
Bob in Mich Posted November 25, 2016 Posted November 25, 2016 (edited) I've made clear that I am not an expert in the medical treatment of Crohn's disease. I get surgical referrals from those experts. None of them treat their patients by having them smoke weed. You can pretend that the overwhelming majority of Chron's researchers and specialists who treat these patients have no idea what they are doing because they don't accept the evidence of a handful of small uncontrolled studies describing benefits or MJ in these patients. I really don't care--we see this all the time: "all these doctors have no idea what they are doing!", etc. Which is fine because it's meaningless. The bolded sentence in your rant is wrong. NIDA actually is the sole funder of the growth of MJ used for research in this country. Here you go: “The products were quite limited, as far as what we could get from them (before),” Wallace said. “Now, the NIH is coming out with a lot of different products for research, as far as oils, extracts and different strains that have different levels of THC (the psychoactive cannabinoid in marijuana) versus CBD.” NIDA’s marijuana grow at Mississippi is producing more varieties of marijuana that should be similar to medical marijuana in the states that have approved it, ElSohly said. It’s also growing 30 times more marijuana than it did under its last contract with NIDA, two signs that researchers and NIH branches are requesting much more marijuana for medical studies." Also, there is nothing preventing every other country in the world from performing any MJ study they want to, as they don't have to deal with the DEA. Likewise, there is nothing preventing private companies and investors from funding the research themselves and therefore bypassing federal funding agencies. I'm sure you mean well, but to have an intelligent discussion, you have to bring a certain level of intelligence to the table. Ranting about dumb doctors and the evils of NIDA are the typical conspiracy paranoia that fuels the position of the group you are in. Careful Doc, we don't want this to devolve into gibberish....your usual cop out. Why not answer the questions that are asked rather than answering the questions you make up? That would help keep the gibberish away. I appreciate that you are starting to do some research on this subject though. Great idea!! Unfortunately, you are again incorrect. This time regarding NIDA and their role in obstructing cannabis research. Until recently, possibly March 2016, here was NIDA's stance http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-04/why-its-so-hard-scientists-study-pot From the article If you're going to run a trial to show that marijuana has positive effects, the NIDA essentially is not going to allow it. Both the American Medical Association and the American College of Physicians have called for more research into the therapeutic uses of marijuana and for the U.S. government to reconsider its classification as a Schedule I substance. The University of Mississippi grows and harvests cannabis for studies funded by the National Institute on Drug Abuse, yet because NIDA's congressionally mandated mission is to research the harmful effects of controlled substances and stop drug abuse, the institute isn't interested in helping establish marijuana as a medicine. "If you're going to run a trial to show this is going to have positive effects, they're essentially not going to allow it," Lyle Craker, a professor and horticulturist at the University of Massachusetts Amherst, says. ------------- In August of 2016 the DEA agreed to allow cannabis to be grown in multiple locations. They left it as schedule 1 however. This means that it is still extremely difficult to obtain though now there are more places to get it if all agency approvals go through. Sanjay Gupta comments: http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/12/cnn-chief-medical-coorespondent-says-dea-missed-opportunity-with-pot/ from the article The DEA will allow for more pot to be grown for medical research, but Dr. Sanjay Gupta says this is largely symbolic. Scientists will still have a difficult time getting access to study its benefits, Gupta writes in a Thursday CNN article. “While this will be hailed as a victory for research, it will largely be symbolic,” Gupta writes. “ecause no matter how much marijuana is available, if access is still difficult, it hardly matters. Gupta says access to pot for medical reasons remains behind a “locked door.” While the DEA opened up new avenues for potential studies, universities that would study it still remain skeptical of allowing such studies Edited November 25, 2016 by Bob in Mich
NoSaint Posted November 25, 2016 Posted November 25, 2016 Have we considered Seantrel has made his decision? And may have just waiting for this moment? Or is it possible he was tested and still showed residuals from months ago? I do not know that the league plays fair about these matters. they have substantially raised the bar to actually test positive. If the rumor is true he either missed a test or has been using.
Mr. WEO Posted November 25, 2016 Posted November 25, 2016 (edited) Careful Doc, we don't want this to devolve into gibberish....your usual cop out. Why not answer the questions that are asked rather than answering the questions you make up? That would help keep the gibberish away. I appreciate that you are starting to do some research on this subject though. Great idea!! Unfortunately, you are again incorrect. This time regarding NIDA and their role in obstructing cannabis research. Until recently, possibly March 2016, here was NIDA's stance http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-04/why-its-so-hard-scientists-study-pot From the article If you're going to run a trial to show that marijuana has positive effects, the NIDA essentially is not going to allow it. Both the American Medical Association and the American College of Physicians have called for more research into the therapeutic uses of marijuana and for the U.S. government to reconsider its classification as a Schedule I substance. The University of Mississippi grows and harvests cannabis for studies funded by the National Institute on Drug Abuse, yet because NIDA's congressionally mandated mission is to research the harmful effects of controlled substances and stop drug abuse, the institute isn't interested in helping establish marijuana as a medicine. "If you're going to run a trial to show this is going to have positive effects, they're essentially not going to allow it," Lyle Craker, a professor and horticulturist at the University of Massachusetts Amherst, says. ------------- In August of 2016 the DEA agreed to allow cannabis to be grown in multiple locations. They left it as schedule 1 however. This means that it is still extremely difficult to obtain though now there are more places to get it if all agency approvals go through. Sanjay Gupta comments: http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/12/cnn-chief-medical-coorespondent-says-dea-missed-opportunity-with-pot/ from the article The DEA will allow for more pot to be grown for medical research, but Dr. Sanjay Gupta says this is largely symbolic. Scientists will still have a difficult time getting access to study its benefits, Gupta writes in a Thursday CNN article. “While this will be hailed as a victory for research, it will largely be symbolic,” Gupta writes. “ecause no matter how much marijuana is available, if access is still difficult, it hardly matters. Gupta says access to pot for medical reasons remains behind a “locked door.” While the DEA opened up new avenues for potential studies, universities that would study it still remain skeptical of allowing such studies NIDA's weed farm provides weed for research. Quoting a botanist and an editorializing reporter/columnist doesn't change this fact. And you still haven't explained why no international pharmaceutical company (5 of the world's top 8 are not US companies) has bothered much with a smokable plant as a product. They have done most of the R and D of cannabis extracts and have brought them to market. No doubt it's not easy for researchers to get USDA grade weed. But any grant applicant will have the same complaint about his or her precious but denied grant application to the NIH. I don't care who treats their pain with what. My guess is that if the vast majority US self (or assisted) medicators were offered a pill cannabis extract that eliminated their chronic pain but had no psychotropic/euphoric effects--the overwhelming majority of them would decline in favor of smoking MJ. And, really, that's what this about. People who smoke enjoy getting high. That's certainly true for, i would think, every NFL player who partakes. Whatever actual health benefits they might experience are secondary to euphoria. Do you think a single player, if offered an extract pill, would take that over just smoking from his stash? Of course not. But, hey, stupid doctors....or is it evil feds....or something. Edited November 25, 2016 by Mr. WEO
Bob in Mich Posted November 25, 2016 Posted November 25, 2016 (edited) I wouldn't call you stupid doc, but if you want to admit to it, who am I to argue? And there ya go with your assumptions again. Those seem to be where you trip yourself up. Do you have trouble with that in your practice because I would think those types of assumptions would lead to problems assisting your patients? Have you ever noticed when you get pinned down, you hop to a new subject? Are you a woman, Mr WEO? lol Edited November 25, 2016 by Bob in Mich
3rdand12 Posted November 25, 2016 Posted November 25, 2016 they have substantially raised the bar to actually test positive. If the rumor is true he either missed a test or has been using. Thank you for a proper answer. That means to me, he might consider fotbal secondary I wouldn't call you stupid doc, but if you want to admit to it, who am I to argue? And there ya go with your assumptions again. Those seem to be where you trip yourself up. Do you have trouble with that in your practice because I would think those types of assumptions would lead to problems assisting your patients? Have you ever noticed when you get pinned down, you hop to a new subject? Are you a woman, Mr WEO? lol Hello Bob. Thank you for posting here. sincerely. I do appreciate the checks, and balancing the commentary.
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