ALF Posted November 25, 2016 Posted November 25, 2016 Unless TT looks a lot better in the next 6 games , $27M next season is way too much. Get ready to renegotiate that contract or let him walk. JMO
Maury Ballstein Posted November 25, 2016 Posted November 25, 2016 One more vote for EJ !! Let's complete a 3rd and 3 !!
Best Player Available Posted November 25, 2016 Posted November 25, 2016 Unless TT looks a lot better in the next 6 games , $27M next season is way too much. Get ready to renegotiate that contract or let him walk. JMO Realistically what are the options to improve the position short term? I think OBD pays the guy. That said he is not worth that guaranteed $$$$$$.
John from Riverside Posted November 25, 2016 Posted November 25, 2016 One more vote for EJ !! Let's complete a 3rd and 3 !! I actually thought all the votes for EJ came from you
Fadingpain Posted November 25, 2016 Posted November 25, 2016 I voted "other" simply because I'm not even sure what that means.
Tenhigh Posted November 26, 2016 Author Posted November 26, 2016 I like TT a lot, as you know, but I'd like to see TT's skills in a bigger, taller body as I am not sure TT can actually see the field that well as he "plays small". That bigger taller TT is CJ, but it will be 2018 before we see him. OBD in a big pickle here. I still just wonder if they pass on the TT 27mil and go with EJ for a year until CJ is ready. That way they can keep the rest of the roster together and also make it better. Hell, we're a 100% run game and defense team with TT right now and will probably end up 10-6 or 9-7, it almost doesn't matter who the QB is . I'd rather keep trying other big tall rocket arm QBs until we get one who can play at least to TT's current level. That means giving up on 2017, though, although I for one think EJ can play the Trent Dilfer role just fine. Or else TT needs to grow about 4 inches and add 20 lbs. Platform cleats?
manbeast Posted November 26, 2016 Posted November 26, 2016 Looks like a close race Once we're eliminated, Cardale should be playing. But Rex won't do it because he has a better chance of winning games with a more experienced quarterback. And he wants to win a few because it will make him look better once he's fired. Insofar as EJ goes, fogetit. Cardale is not active for a reason. However I do believe Whaley sees him as our QB of the future.
manbeast Posted November 26, 2016 Posted November 26, 2016 (edited) So Whaley took a QB in the 4th round who's a 2 - 3 year project? Brilliant. Dak Prescott is leading the Cowboys to the Super Bowl potentially, and the Bills are developing a 4th round 3 year project QB? It was a supplemental pick if I remember correctly so 4th but not really and that is exactly when you start to draft such players. Edited November 26, 2016 by manbeast
Maury Ballstein Posted November 26, 2016 Posted November 26, 2016 Stupid survey If we weren't the 32nd ranked passing team it might be #facts #CoT
Fadingpain Posted November 26, 2016 Posted November 26, 2016 Looks like a close race Cardale is not active for a reason. However I do believe Whaley sees him as our QB of the future. He very well might. Given his total lack of understanding of the QB position in football, that's not good.
Kirby Jackson Posted November 26, 2016 Posted November 26, 2016 He very well might. Given his total lack of understanding of the QB position in football, that's not good. He signed an average NFL starting QB for a couple million dollars a year. I don't know how (even the people that inexplicably hate him) can call that anything but a big success. I know a lot of people credit Rex for that but surely Whaley played a role. You don't get the production that the Bills have gotten out of Tyrod for the price that they paid almost ever.
TSOL Posted November 26, 2016 Posted November 26, 2016 He signed an average NFL starting QB for a couple million dollars a year. I don't know how (even the people that inexplicably hate him) can call that anything but a big success. I know a lot of people credit Rex for that but surely Whaley played a role. You don't get the production that the Bills have gotten out of Tyrod for the price that they paid almost ever. I think people hate Tyrod for a number of reasons. Hes not a traditional QB, i think many people would rather see a traditional pocket passer, because thats what seems to win games. Especially later in games, when a team is down by 7-10 points, a running QB is less likely to be able to score enough to pull out a win. Its alot on a QB's plate to run and pass. I feel like its been proven over years and years that running QB's have limited success. That, put together with the fact that our organization, over the last 5-6 or more years, devotes far more resources to positions less valueable than QB, baffels many fans. For example, while teams like the Eagles, Vikings, and yes, the Cowboys, are using the majority of their resources identifying and going out and getting the most important piece of the puzzle,we are treading water and mortaging the farm on DE's and WR's. I dont hate Tyrod, i really dont. I just really do not see him as any sort of future sustainable success for the team. And if he has one more stinker like last week, for the rest of this season, where these games matter SO much, i dont see how anyone could defend him anymore.
Rico Posted November 26, 2016 Posted November 26, 2016 (edited) ^^^ Agree that a lot of the TT hate is that he's not a traditional passer. Me, I absolutely hate big QBs who are statues with no mobility, especially when they have no pocket presence. I love seeing people drool all over them just because they have a big arm, and I laugh whenever they get pummeled in the pocket. I was not at all happy when Flacco got a ring, but Joe is deceiving; he may be a big Gomer, but he can move when he has to. Edited November 26, 2016 by Rico
John from Riverside Posted November 26, 2016 Posted November 26, 2016 ^^^ I think a lot of the TT hate is that he's not a traditional passer. Me, I absolutely hate big QBs who are statues with no mobility, especially when they have no pocket presence. I love seeing people drool all over them just because they have a big arm, and I laugh whenever they get pummeled in the pocket. I was not at all happy when Flacco got a ring, but Joe is deceiving; he may be a big Gomer, but he can move when he has to. If we were beating good teams in the final seconds of games on his arm half of the people that are complaining would probably stop complaining. Myself......when we pick up his option (and its not if people....its when) we need to think about getting more players on the field that fit his skill set..... Get rid of guys like Goodwin who wont fight for contested balls.....get more players that have large catch radius and WILL fight for contested balls. Hunter is actually a good start I hope he stays. Quietly Hunter has been a TD machine since he came to the team. Sammy is young and just needs a healthy season. Would like to see the Bears and Bucs approach to pass catching targets.
#34fan Posted November 26, 2016 Posted November 26, 2016 If we were beating good teams in the final seconds of games on his arm half of the people that are complaining would probably stop complaining. Myself......when we pick up his option (and its not if people....its when) we need to think about getting more players on the field that fit his skill set..... Get rid of guys like Goodwin who wont fight for contested balls.....get more players that have large catch radius and WILL fight for contested balls. Hunter is actually a good start I hope he stays. Quietly Hunter has been a TD machine since he came to the team. Sammy is young and just needs a healthy season. Would like to see the Bears and Bucs approach to pass catching targets. The neutered-Bears, and the Suckaneers?! - John, you have to be joking! -As long as Tom Brady plays in this division, NOTHING except an equally dominant quarterback will supplant his ownwership... Period... For all his athleticism, Tyrod cannot WILL games to an outcome, like Brady can....That's a key difference between a backup, and a starter...-The intangible "will".... It's what separated Russsell Wilson, and Dak Prescott from their unfortunate predecessors... It's what made Flutie the better choice to start over Johnson... It's what led Kelly to 4 consecutive AFC championships... Settling for someone who's merely "good enough" gets you precisely what we've got. -Nothing.
John from Riverside Posted November 26, 2016 Posted November 26, 2016 The neutered-Bears, and the Suckaneers?! - John, you have to be joking! -As long as Tom Brady plays in this division, NOTHING except an equally dominant quarterback will supplant his ownwership... Period... For all his athleticism, Tyrod cannot WILL games to an outcome, like Brady can....That's a key difference between a backup, and a starter...-The intangible "will".... It's what separated Russsell Wilson, and Dak Prescott from their unfortunate predecessors... It's what made Flutie the better choice to start over Johnson... It's what led Kelly to 4 consecutive AFC championships... Settling for someone who's merely "good enough" gets you precisely what we've got. -Nothing. Just because those teams are not good does not mean that their approach to wide receivers is flawed. And Tyrod is not a backup QB.....you can believe that if you want
#34fan Posted November 26, 2016 Posted November 26, 2016 Just because those teams are not good does not mean that their approach to wide receivers is flawed. And Tyrod is not a backup QB.....you can believe that if you want Oh, he's not just any-old backup... He's the best in the league.... TT is a guy that can come in, and definitely NOT lose a game for you... That's worth ALOT in the NFL... -Just not 27.5 million... If it's any consolation, I think part of the problem is Dave Lee... WORST quarterbacks coach ever... That mofo needs to go...
John from Riverside Posted November 26, 2016 Posted November 26, 2016 Oh, he's not just any-old backup... He's the best in the league.... TT is a guy that can come in, and definitely NOT lose a game for you... That's worth ALOT in the NFL... -Just not 27.5 million... If it's any consolation, I think part of the problem is Dave Lee... WORST quarterbacks coach ever... That mofo needs to go... Agreed David Lee is worthless that extension is good for a middling level starting contract in the NFL.......which is about where Tyrod currently sits. but he is also throwing to street free agents, guys coming out of retirement, and guys on and off the injury list so far this year......take away Green from Dalton and he probably does not even play as well as TT does.
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