CommonCents Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Since when is Darus a failure? He was the MVP of this defense the last 2 years. The failure with MD was allowing him and his agent to dictate the terms of the contract. Read through the thread, examples of Lane Johnson and his contract have been well explained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Who do we think the "execs" are that want to move on? I assume overdorf, Whaley, pegs all signed off on the contract but that doesn't mean they don't regret it. Monos might be one who looks at that and shakes his head now. I like a lot of things Whaley has done but Monos seems more practical whenever I've heard him interviewed (jmo of course)This makes sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 >>>>>Typically, a drug policy violation would allow the Bills to get out of all guarantees, but a rare clause in his contract limited the punishment to only the year of the misstep. In other words, Dareus’ 2016 guarantees went out the window, but all other guarantees through 2021 remained untouched.<<<<< Would anybody like to once again sing the praises of Whaley? Just another example, maybe the biggest of all, of Whaley pissing away the resources of this football team. He really needs to go. The Dareus contract guarantee structure is easily my biggest beef with Whaley. Even though I accept that Overdorf is probably most directly responsible for the de facto structure of the contract, there's no way that it gets okayed without Whaley's eyes on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Since when is Darus a failure? He was the MVP of this defense the last 2 years. You forgot to add Peyton Manning if we would have traded up. Carson Wentz if we would have traded up Tom Brady WAS A 6TH ROUND PICK!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well yes, but I was looking more at guys drafted directly behind (or close) to where we picked, clearly you can have a super team of Brady - Gronk - Antonio Brown etc with hindsight being 20/20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 While I tend to think of the last 5 drafts as hits for the most part, looking back on what could have been (save your comments, I know hindsight is 20/20 and a waste of time): 2011 - Patrick Peterson instead of Dareus 2012 - Fletcher Cox or Dontari Poe instead of Gilmore 2013 - Anyone instead of EJ, but we could have gotten Deandre Hopkins / Kawaan Short / Leveon Bell instead of EJ / Woods / Kiko 2014 - Mack if moving up / obviously ODB or Aaron Donald ( or even Zack Martin) if staying put You left out the worst of them all---Wilson instead of TJ Graham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 The Dareus contract guarantee structure is easily my biggest beef with Whaley. Even though I accept that Overdorf is probably most directly responsible for the de facto structure of the contract, there's no way that it gets okayed without Whaley's eyes on it. Yep Can you imagine the balls of Dareus' representative to even suggest that or demand that? "Look I know that my guy has a history of failing drug tests but that's not going to impact what the guaranteed money. If he fails, he still gets his money." That's inexcusable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Yep Can you imagine the balls of Dareus' representative to even suggest that or demand that? "Look I know that my guy has a history of failing drug tests but that's not going to impact what the guaranteed money. If he fails, he still gets his money." That's inexcusable That seems to be how the Bills operate now. I refer you to Marios contract and the crazy Rex Ryan contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 16, 2016 Author Share Posted November 16, 2016 I would have loved to be a fly on the wall at that negotiation table. Bills FO got pwned. That seems to be how the Bills operate now. I refer you to Marios contract and the crazy Rex Ryan contract. what about Marrone's? Hey, you can leave if you want if Ralph passes away but you have to take 4 million to do so. K? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 I would have loved to be a fly on the wall at that negotiation table. Bills FO got pwned. No. Bills FO got paid. Bills fans got owned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 I would have loved to be a fly on the wall at that negotiation table. Bills FO got pwned. what about Marrone's? Hey, you can leave if you want if Ralph passes away but you have to take 4 million to do so. K? Same thing with Shady, they caved to him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 You left out the worst of them all---Wilson instead of TJ Graham. Yeah, I was screaming at the TV when that happened. It's an absolute exercise in masochism (and thank god we aren't the Browns) but looking back at old drafts are very interesting. We took Kelvin Sheppard just before Justin Houston went (obviously he turned into Hughes so it's a win). In 2012 (the Wilson draft) we had 2 picks at 144 & 147 where we got Zebrie Sanders and Tank Carder, Josh Norman went 143 and Malik Jackson went 137. So far there is only 1 Pro Bowler who went after pick 69 in the 2013 draft (Latavius Murray at 181), it was a bit of a crap draft, we got Robey undrafted and he might push to be a 1st rounder if there was a redraft of that year now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 I would have loved to be a fly on the wall at that negotiation table. Bills FO got pwned. what about Marrone's? Hey, you can leave if you want if Ralph passes away but you have to take 4 million to do so. K? Uggggggg. Yeah, forgot about that beauty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 16, 2016 Author Share Posted November 16, 2016 (edited) They interviewed Wilson about this the week before the MNF game. Obviously he played with TJ Graham at nc state and earnestly talked about what a great pick it was cuz that's his boy. Then he talked about his pre-draft visit to Buffalo and he came in with Chandler Jones and Trent Richardson and Bills took them to Encore for wings. He was so sincere in saying how cool and nice it was. Edited November 16, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 They interviewed Wilson about this the week before the MNF game. Obviously he played with TJ Graham at nc state and earnestly talked about what a great pick it was cuz that's his boy. Then he talked about his pre-draft visit to Buffalo and he came in with Chandler Jones and Trent Richardson and Bills took them to Encore for wings. Now i'm convinced no one has a clue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Same thing with Shady, they caved to him too. except he's playing well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Since when is Darus a failure? He was the MVP of this defense the last 2 years. You forgot to add Peyton Manning if we would have traded up. Carson Wentz if we would have traded up Tom Brady WAS A 6TH ROUND PICK!!!!!!!!!!!!! Could have had Bronko Nagurski if someone had the damned sense to have a franchise. Fire Whaley! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Giving massive contract with no team protection to an at risk player is a bigger !@#$ up than trading up for a WR in a deep WR draft class. Sure Whaley "added talent" but we're still not where we need to be and hasn't been relevant in the Salary Cap era. Your criticisms of Whaley are way off base! He is a brilliant GM. I've read it here many times! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 If I was a coach I would put out in public that I am not happy with Dareus's motivation and work ethic. Trying to baby him definitely doesn't help. Your criticisms of Whaley are way off base! He is a brilliant GM. I've read it here many times! Any many times you see it posted here Whaley isn't good... So what are you saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Your criticisms of Whaley are way off base! He is a brilliant GM. I've read it here many times! It is my opinion that Doug Whaley's talents are being wasted in Buffalo. I think, with the right owner, he would be an amazing GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 except he's playing well They have been letting every good player bend them over the barrel. It's catching up to them quickly, Shady is their savior right now if he was hobbled all season change wouldn't even be debatable. They also threw money at TT in August... As Colin Cowherd said Buffalo doesn't know what it is doing, how can you give money to Fitz and TT in August? Same ole, they need to get everyone out of there and start new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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