SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 The job is probably much easier when most of the press is on your side. when you tell them (in a literal sense) to shut up and or bar them from pressers ..... can he expect any different? The T A marched into the swamp and only expected to be bothered by a few mosquitoes. boy did they underestimate that.
Meathead Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 (edited) Republican Congressman Mike Coffman of Colorado called for the resignation of White House press secretary Sean Spicer after his remarks that Adolf Hitler “didn’t even sink to using chemical weapons” during a press briefing this week. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/gop-congressman-calls-for-spicers-resignation-after-hitler-comments/ spicer should probably go soon but this is a stupid reason to call for his resignation he made a mistake and apologized. i dont like how our culture so often moves to immediate execution for legitimately corrected mistakes its not like hes organizing neo-nazi organizations in secret. he made a blunder. so what this mike coffman when on to say spicer doesnt represent the office well, thats true, which is why he should probably go. but then coffman flip flops back and forth, defending spicers intended message, then back to pointing to the hitler comment as if thats the reason he should resign his boss is making much bigger mistakes like that on a daily basis. i see no reason to execute spicer over a classic hitler blunder when its pretty obvious hes embarrassed he let himself fall into that self inflicted wound Edited April 14, 2017 by Meathead
DC Tom Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 Republican Congressman Mike Coffman of Colorado called for the resignation of White House press secretary Sean Spicer after his remarks that Adolf Hitler “didn’t even sink to using chemical weapons” during a press briefing this week. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/gop-congressman-calls-for-spicers-resignation-after-hitler-comments/ spicer should probably go soon but this is a stupid reason to call for his resignation he made a mistake and apologized. i dont like how our culture so often moves to immediate execution for legitimately corrected mistakes its not like hes organizing neo-nazi organizations in secret. he made a blunder. so what this mike coffman when on to say spicer doesnt represent the office well, thats true, which is why he should probably go. but then coffman flip flops back and forth, defending spicers intended message, then back to pointing to the hitler comment as if thats the reason he should resign his boss is making much bigger mistakes like that on a daily basis. i see no reason to execute spicer over a classic hitler blunder when its pretty obvious hes embarrassed he let himself fall into that self inflicted wound He DIDN'T make a mistake, and apologized.
Azalin Posted April 14, 2017 Posted April 14, 2017 He DIDN'T make a mistake, and apologized. You know a lot more about WWII than I do, but as I understand it Hitler was vehemently opposed to deploying any kind of chemical weapons in the battlefield.
DC Tom Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 (edited) You know a lot more about WWII than I do, but as I understand it Hitler was vehemently opposed to deploying any kind of chemical weapons in the battlefield. Yes. He was gassed on the Western Front, and hated CW. Supposedly he threatened it in Italy, but every claim of that I've seen traces back to one unsupported quote by one British historian. I mentioned it above: he was against the indiscriminate use of chemical weapons (manufactured specifically to kill). But perfectly fine with the discriminate use of industrial chemicals (not manufactured specifically to kill) for genocidal purposes. You know, I've never seen any evidence that he knew Jews were being gassed, either. Starved, shot, etc., yes. And of course, he almost certainly did know - I can't see him not knowing when Goering clearly did. But oddly, I've never seen anything that shows he was aware of or presented with the decisions made at Wannsee, or details of the operations of the death camps (or even the mobile gas vans the Einsatzgruppen invented). And I know far too much about this ****. I wrote something about CW somewhere else that referenced the Soviet General Staff study of the Soviet-Afghan War, and the official DTRA WMD reference handbook (DTRA-AR-40H), both of which I have on my bookshelf. What the !@#$ am I doing with my life that I have Soviet General Staff studies and official DTRA WMD publications on my bookshelf??? Edited April 15, 2017 by DC Tom
grinreaper Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 Yes. He was gassed on the Western Front, and hated CW. Supposedly he threatened it in Italy, but every claim of that I've seen traces back to one unsupported quote by one British historian. I mentioned it above: he was against the indiscriminate use of chemical weapons (manufactured specifically to kill). But perfectly fine with the discriminate use of industrial chemicals (not manufactured specifically to kill) for genocidal purposes. You know, I've never seen any evidence that he knew Jews were being gassed, either. Starved, shot, etc., yes. And of course, he almost certainly did know - I can't see him not knowing when Goering clearly did. But oddly, I've never seen anything that shows he was aware of or presented with the decisions made at Wannsee, or details of the operations of the death camps (or even the mobile gas vans the Einsatzgruppen invented). And I know far too much about this ****. I wrote something about CW somewhere else that referenced the Soviet General Staff study of the Soviet-Afghan War, and the official DTRA WMD reference handbook (DTRA-AR-40H), both of which I have on my bookshelf. What the !@#$ am I doing with my life that I have Soviet General Staff studies and official DTRA WMD publications on my bookshelf??? Boning up for your next debate with Meathead?
aristocrat Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 He tried saying Assad was worse than hitler. It's not a big deal cause Assad is a terrible person. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
DC Tom Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 Boning up for your next debate with Meathead? I'm reading the books. Not !@#$ing them.
Benjamin Franklin Posted April 15, 2017 Author Posted April 15, 2017 He tried saying Assad was worse than hitler. It's not a big deal cause Assad is a terrible person. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk It's a big deal when the White House press secretary is a moron. Holocaust Centers, for Christ's sake. In a vacuum, it's a bad day, but Spicer is a disaster.
Joe Miner Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 I'm reading the books. Not !@#$ing them. If you let Meathead !@#$ you, we'd be able to listen to him.
/dev/null Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 It's a big deal when the White House press secretary is a moron. Trump for all his faults is an incredible showman that knows how to play a room So is Spicer a moron or is he giving his audience (the MSM) what they want to hear?
Azalin Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 Yes. He was gassed on the Western Front, and hated CW. Supposedly he threatened it in Italy, but every claim of that I've seen traces back to one unsupported quote by one British historian. I thought so - I assumed that it was his experience getting gassed in the trenches that led to his disdain for that style of warfare, and thus the inspiration for the blitzkrieg. I'm reading the books. Not !@#$ing them. But if there was anyone whose WWII book pages might be stuck together....
Meathead Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 the mistake obviously was disassociating hitler from killing ppl with gas when obviously he did. only military wonks are going to get the connection specifically with CW. its splitting hairs on a disgusting point that he never should have made
Tiberius Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 But the Germans did release mustard gas in Italy during WW2! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_raid_on_Bari
DC Tom Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 I thought so - I assumed that it was his experience getting gassed in the trenches that led to his disdain for that style of warfare, and thus the inspiration for the blitzkrieg. No, actually. "Blitzkrieg" has much deeper roots in German doctrine, all the way back to Frederick the Great. The immediate precursor would be the "shock trooper" tactics in front of Riga in 1917. I have an article I've written about it - the problem in WWI wasn't so much one of defensive power, but of communications: the dispersal of armies that had evolved that gradually from the massed linear tactics preceding the French Revolution made it harder to exercise command. Every doctrinal response to that problem - German shock tactics, British set-piece battles, French "hide in bunkers and don't move" tactics - developed in WWI was ultimately the foundation of each country's doctrine in WWII. But if you're really interested, read Robert Citino's books - excellent historian, specializing on the German Army, and his books are surprisingly accessible reads. Side note: Hitler's mustache wasn't a stylistic choice that people copied to be like him. It was actually a WWI battlefield thing: at the start of the war, mustaches were much more "normal," but after gas was introduced, the German soldiers found that their mustaches interfered with the seal their gas masks, so rather than shave them off completely they just shaved off enough that the masks would seal. And after the war, it became a style people perpetuated or adopted because of Germany's whole worshipful "Thank you for your service" phase they went through with respect to their WWI veterans. But if there was anyone whose WWII book pages might be stuck together.... Serious WWII historians have a term for the mass-marketed sort of books that have a "gee, how special" focus on the trappings and technology of the German Army in WWII, or the sort of crap you see on the History Channel (back when they did "history" programming): "Wehrmacht Porn."
Azalin Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 No, actually. "Blitzkrieg" has much deeper roots in German doctrine, all the way back to Frederick the Great. The immediate precursor would be the "shock trooper" tactics in front of Riga in 1917. I have an article I've written about it - the problem in WWI wasn't so much one of defensive power, but of communications: the dispersal of armies that had evolved that gradually from the massed linear tactics preceding the French Revolution made it harder to exercise command. Every doctrinal response to that problem - German shock tactics, British set-piece battles, French "hide in bunkers and don't move" tactics - developed in WWI was ultimately the foundation of each country's doctrine in WWII. But if you're really interested, read Robert Citino's books - excellent historian, specializing on the German Army, and his books are surprisingly accessible reads. Side note: Hitler's mustache wasn't a stylistic choice that people copied to be like him. It was actually a WWI battlefield thing: at the start of the war, mustaches were much more "normal," but after gas was introduced, the German soldiers found that their mustaches interfered with the seal their gas masks, so rather than shave them off completely they just shaved off enough that the masks would seal. And after the war, it became a style people perpetuated or adopted because of Germany's whole worshipful "Thank you for your service" phase they went through with respect to their WWI veterans. Serious WWII historians have a term for the mass-marketed sort of books that have a "gee, how special" focus on the trappings and technology of the German Army in WWII, or the sort of crap you see on the History Channel (back when they did "history" programming): "Wehrmacht Porn." Would it be fair to say then that it was Hitler's experience with mustard gas poisoning that led him to approach battlefield tactics differently? It's funny how that style of mustache faded from western culture after Hitler. The only people I can think of that could wear one after that were people who were already known to wear one: Charlie Chaplin and Oliver Hardy.
DC Tom Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 Would it be fair to say then that it was Hitler's experience with mustard gas poisoning that led him to approach battlefield tactics differently? No, since Hitler wasn't a battlefield tactician. And the battlefield tactics he's credited with were under development well before he even became a failed art student. I'd like to say it's like crediting Obama with planning the mission to capture bin Laden - which we know people do, and which we know is breathtakingly stupid. But it's not even that; it's more like crediting Obama with inventing the idea of helicopter insertion when he was a community organizer.
grinreaper Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 Boning Meathead? Boning Meathead: But you were always on my mind You were always on my mind Signed, Jeff
Azalin Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 But it's not even that; it's more like crediting Obama with inventing the idea of helicopter insertion when he was a community organizer. Point taken.
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