dpberr Posted April 7, 2020 Posted April 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Another not so bright one. Although most will point to the speech as to what did him in, I suspect it was his decision to relieve the captain of the Roosevelt against the recommendation of everyone in the military leadership that put the pressure on him to resign. I will say it does take some pretty big balls to fly to the ship and give a speech and talk trash about the guy you just fired. Either that or a ridiculous amount of stupidity and hubris, which the Trump cabinet appears to have a lot of these days. This whole episode was stupid and avoidable. The captain acted stupid. This secretary just doubled, and then tripled down on it. 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted April 7, 2020 Posted April 7, 2020 11 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: I'd be her chief staff. It would be a minor role, obviously.
Buftex Posted April 7, 2020 Posted April 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, dpberr said: This whole episode was stupid and avoidable. The captain acted stupid. This secretary just doubled, and then tripled down on it. Could very easily be the motto for the Trump administration, in total. It is a way of life....
Tiberius Posted April 7, 2020 Posted April 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, dpberr said: Another not so bright one. Although most will point to the speech as to what did him in, I suspect it was his decision to relieve the captain of the Roosevelt against the recommendation of everyone in the military leadership that put the pressure on him to resign. I will say it does take some pretty big balls to fly to the ship and give a speech and talk trash about the guy you just fired. Either that or a ridiculous amount of stupidity and hubris, which the Trump cabinet appears to have a lot of these days. This whole episode was stupid and avoidable. The captain acted stupid. This secretary just doubled, and then tripled down on it. What did the captain do that was stupid?
3rdnlng Posted April 7, 2020 Posted April 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: What did the captain do that was stupid? Are you trying to pretend you don't know what stupid is? 7 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: It would be a minor role, obviously. It might be minor now but it would grow on her for sure. 1
dpberr Posted April 7, 2020 Posted April 7, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Tiberius said: What did the captain do that was stupid? He didn't follow the proper chain of command. He wrote the letter instead of talking to his immediate superior officer first. He also sent that letter to several people in the Navy, without the authorization or knowledge of his superiors. Unfortunately, you can't do any of that when you're in charge of an aircraft carrier in the United States Navy. He was in trouble regardless, but the Navy leadership, from what I read, believed he deserved a hearing, and that it did not rise to being immediately removed from the Navy. Hell, the Navy has had captains of submarines that have hit fishing boats and ships that hit all sorts of stuff and they received due process. This captain...wrote a letter. Was he going to remain as captain of the ship? Highly unlikely as it doesn't show the best judgement, even under the stressful conditions. You always follow the chain of command. You just don't write a four page letter and send it to whomever you want. Edited April 7, 2020 by dpberr 2
Buffalo_Gal Posted April 7, 2020 Posted April 7, 2020 18 minutes ago, dpberr said: He didn't follow the proper chain of command. He wrote the letter instead of talking to his immediate superior officer first. He also sent that letter to several people in the Navy, without the authorization or knowledge of his superiors. Unfortunately, you can't do any of that when you're in charge of an aircraft carrier in the United States Navy. He was in trouble regardless, but the Navy leadership, from what I read, believed he deserved a hearing, and that it did not rise to being immediately removed from the Navy. Hell, the Navy has had captains of submarines that have hit fishing boats and ships that hit all sorts of stuff and they received due process. This captain...wrote a letter. Was he going to remain as captain of the ship? Highly unlikely as it doesn't show the best judgement, even under the stressful conditions. You always follow the chain of command. You just don't write a four page letter and send it to whomever you want. He was reassigned, but relieved of command, not removed from the Navy.
Tiberius Posted April 7, 2020 Posted April 7, 2020 1 hour ago, dpberr said: He didn't follow the proper chain of command. He wrote the letter instead of talking to his immediate superior officer first. He also sent that letter to several people in the Navy, without the authorization or knowledge of his superiors. Unfortunately, you can't do any of that when you're in charge of an aircraft carrier in the United States Navy. He was in trouble regardless, but the Navy leadership, from what I read, believed he deserved a hearing, and that it did not rise to being immediately removed from the Navy. Hell, the Navy has had captains of submarines that have hit fishing boats and ships that hit all sorts of stuff and they received due process. This captain...wrote a letter. Was he going to remain as captain of the ship? Highly unlikely as it doesn't show the best judgement, even under the stressful conditions. You always follow the chain of command. You just don't write a four page letter and send it to whomever you want. I don't understand you saying what he did was stupid. He did send it to his chain of command but also to others. Perhaps in a normal situation, you can say what he did was "stupid"--as Trump did!--but with thousands of lives on the line, can we say he was more concerned--justly--with his sailors lives than some admiral, or the president, being embarrassed? It's interesting also, that originally, he was not going to be fired, but once Trump got angry, the yes men sprang into action and tried to kill the messenger. Quote At first, both the Navy’s military chief Admiral Michael Gilday and civilian Acting Secretary Modly stressed Crozier would not face “any type of retaliation” for having written the letter to his chain of command. On Wednesday, the Navy began evacuating more sailors from the ship. Then, on Thursday, the news media reported the Navy would relieve Crozier of command after all. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/04/05/this-is-what-was-so-unusual-about-us-navy-making-captain-brett-crozier-step-down/ 4 hours ago, B-Man said: Anything for our FLOTUS........ Mail order bride from eastern Europe
dpberr Posted April 7, 2020 Posted April 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said: He was reassigned, but relieved of command, not removed from the Navy. Whoops, my bad. 1
Tiberius Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 Trump and the GOP will have to cave on this one. Their inner Herbert Hoover is starting to show, though Quote House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer said in a statement Monday that they won’t agree to the Trump administration’s insistence on more money for small business loans unless their demands are met for additional funding for hospitals, state and local governments and food stamp recipients. The Democratic leaders also rejected suggestions from President Trump that the country could reopen quickly, saying that “there is still not enough testing available to realistically allow that to happen.” The statement from Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Schumer (D-N.Y.) early Monday morning followed a Saturday statement from congressional GOP leaders in which they rejected the Democrats’ demands and showed no interest in negotiating.
Hedge Posted May 1, 2020 Posted May 1, 2020 7 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Yessir! Bring the pain. Grenell seems to have been quite a nice asset. I wonder where he will land after Ratcliffe assumes control. Surely, it's not going back to solely being an ambassador. 1
Hedge Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 Ratcliffe’s confirmation hearing for Director of National Intelligence: 1 1
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 36 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: This is all so interesting to me. He didn't have the votes before Grenell, and now, since Genell is a honey badger doing everything they worried Ratcliffe would do... Ratcliffe isn't so bad and they will vote for his confirmation. Resignation has set in among our "betters," or so it appears. 4
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