PromoTheRobot Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 If you take away the games we won, we are winless.
John from Riverside Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 its interesting the lack of D bitching threads prior to the Patriots game that is because a 40 plus point demolishing will sure skew those stats in a punch bowl pissers favor
The Big Cat Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 The defense blew against Miami too. But I blame that on Dareus more than anything. Still don't understand how 6 points through 2.5 quarters suddenly turned into 22 points in 1.5 quarters, huh? Gee...what might have happened? Five punts in 22 plays from the offense, may be?
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 Still don't understand how 6 points through 2.5 quarters suddenly turned into 22 points in 1.5 quarters, huh? Gee...what might have happened? Five punts in 22 plays from the offense, may be? Shhhhhhhh the church of tyrod would not approve
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 If you watch the games you would know that this defense does a lot of things well. Gilmore and the rest of the secondary just isn't good enough. We would be better served with a veteran corner who is less talented than Gilmore, but has heart and is more willing to play a more physical style. The loss of Aaron Williams was just too much to mask the secondary's deficiencies.
PolishDave Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 Shhhhhhhh the church of tyrod would not approve There are 10 other players on offense besides the QB bub.....Just in case you forgot. But thanks for trying to make this another Tyrod thread because we love those.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 There are 10 other players on offense besides the QB bub.....Just in case you forgot. But thanks for trying to make this another Tyrod thread because we love those. Dave you and I both know that all manner of excuses are made for the golden child and the defense is often the scapegoat
MDH Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 Well, if we look at indicators that are a bit more telling than simple yards per game... 13th in the NFL in points per game allowed 9th in takeaways 1st in sacks The key is the takeaways. During their 4 game win streak they dominated via the takeaway. The past two weeks, with zero turnovers, the D hasn't been able to stop anybody. Dave you and I both know that all manner of excuses are made for the golden child and the defense is often the scapegoat Not sure why these things are either/or. The D has been very disappointing the last two games and TT has been bad too.
KD in CA Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 Still don't understand how 6 points through 2.5 quarters suddenly turned into 22 points in 1.5 quarters, huh? Gee...what might have happened? Five punts in 22 plays from the offense, may be? I missed that game, but is that correct? Their longest drive that day was 3:06??
MAJBobby Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 Still don't understand how 6 points through 2.5 quarters suddenly turned into 22 points in 1.5 quarters, huh? Gee...what might have happened? Five punts in 22 plays from the offense, may be? Shhh your missing the Symphony of the game
IronyAbounds Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 Its interesting how this post is made after a blow out loss to the Pats (who are also running over everyone else now that Brady is back) Actually the Bills' defensive ranking didn't change all that much as a result of the Pats' game. The Bills entered Week 8 as the NFL's 18th-ranked defense, allowing 360 yards per game, per Mike Rodak. So, if anything, the post was a week late. Even some Bills' defensive players are calling their squad mediocre. I don't see how anyone can honestly complain about the substance of the post. The defense is good against bad teams and bad against good teams. In other words, average or mediocre. Not top shelf as always promised by the bloated one.
The Big Cat Posted November 2, 2016 Posted November 2, 2016 I missed that game, but is that correct? Their longest drive that day was 3:06?? Coloration is mine, chart is Pro Football Reference's. And yes, on an 80 degree day in Miami, the opening drive that lasted a whopping 3:06 was the most the offense would muster. But, not, that cluster of four long drives in the second half by Miami had nothing to do with the supremely unproductive streak that was happening on the other side of the ball. Fans who can only digest one concept at a time will confuse this as denial that: Jay Ajayayayay was great Our defense struggles In fact, both are true. In fact, both were exasperated to the extent of a loss because the offense left virtually no time between their repeated pairings.
NoSaint Posted November 2, 2016 Posted November 2, 2016 Its interesting how this post is made after a blow out loss to the Pats (who are also running over everyone else now that Brady is back) You could go back and normalize all the other teams that have played a very good qb too... but I might ask you to likewise adjust for the game against the injured 3rd stringer, the vegan, the guy that was benched for geno etc... We haven't really faced a murderers row. We've been inconsistent which is relatively predictable with a staff like this and a team constructed like this.
The Big Cat Posted November 2, 2016 Posted November 2, 2016 The offense sucking didn't help the defense. I simply said the defense sucked that day. They did. If your point is the main reason the defense sucked is because the offense couldn't stay on the field, I completely disagree. Drives 1-6 (not counting garbage before half): 6 points on 129 yards. Drives 7-11: 22 points on 268 yards. The defense went from perfectly fine and stout to a sieve. What changed? What was happening on the other side of the ball during this sudden deluge? Answer: 3 punts in 13 plays. How can you look at 6 points and 129 yards through 2.5 quarters and say with a straight face "the defense sucked all day?"
4merper4mer Posted November 2, 2016 Posted November 2, 2016 Did the offense tell Robey to cove Gronk one on one?
BringBackOrton Posted November 2, 2016 Posted November 2, 2016 Drives 1-6 (not counting garbage before half): 6 points on 129 yards. Drives 7-11: 22 points on 268 yards. The defense went from perfectly fine and stout to a sieve. What changed? What was happening on the other side of the ball during this sudden deluge? Answer: 3 punts in 13 plays. How can you look at 6 points and 129 yards through 2.5 quarters and say with a straight face "the defense sucked all day?" There are good defenses who have offenses with worse 3 and out percentages. We don't have one of them
Nihilarian Posted November 2, 2016 Posted November 2, 2016 The offense sucking didn't help the defense. I simply said the defense sucked that day. They did. If your point is the main reason the defense sucked is because the offense couldn't stay on the field, I completely disagree. It's sure looks like it's gotten to the point that Bills fans are now using the lack of offense for the excuse that the defense stinks! Or it's all the QB's fault that the defense has become mediocre! It really is getting ridiculous the lengths some fans will go to defend the bloated one*. And whatever we do we had better not bring up what happened to the defense in 2014 because that was an abomination of our imaginations! That was with Gilmore and McKelvin, Brooks and Graham too. That year the team was #3 in yards passing allowed. #1 in TD passes allowed. #6 in interceptions. Against Brady, Cutler, Rivers, Fitz, Stafford, Bridgewater, Geno & Vick, Alex Smith, Tallywhacker, Hoyer & Manziel, Peyton Manning, Derek Carr and Aaron Rodgers who was having an MVP season. We know Rex Ryan can coach defense...just not in Buffalo it seems. He will get it right by 2019 though, no worries. *I stole that name from IronyAbounds
The Big Cat Posted November 2, 2016 Posted November 2, 2016 There are good defenses who have offenses with worse 3 and out percentages. We don't have one of them There are two: Denver and Minnesota. Both have struggled when their respective offenses have. Three and outs have killed this team over the last 24 games. Anyone who can see past their prejudice for Rex Ryan understands this.
BringBackOrton Posted November 2, 2016 Posted November 2, 2016 There are two: Denver and Minnesota. Both have struggled when their respective offenses have. Three and outs have killed this team over the last 24 games. Anyone who can see past their prejudice for Rex Ryan understands this. And they are both great defenses who seem to be able to cope. That was the point. Having a struggling offense isn't killing Zimmer or Wade. It's killing Rex.
The Big Cat Posted November 2, 2016 Posted November 2, 2016 And they are both great defenses who seem to be able to cope. That was the point. Having a struggling offense isn't killing Zimmer or Wade. It's killing Rex. You obviously don't watch other teams play.
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