All_Pro_Bills Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 Colts problem is they have no offensive line and a pathetic D. Their GM might be one of the worst ever... Ravens are a team in transition with older and younger guys with not enough help at skill positions Chargers always have an offense, but can never field a defense. A shame really since Rivers is HOF great... To some extent I could assign these excuses to the Bills too. You have a QB that's generally scrambling for his life out there every week, a JV receiving group even when healthy, and a defense that never seems to make the big stop against a big opponent along with allowing too many big plays when the game is on the line. Not to say I don't agree you need a physically and mentally gifted QB but there are a lot of other things that need to happen around that guy to make it work.
NoSaint Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 (edited) To some extent I could assign these excuses to the Bills too. You have a QB that's generally scrambling for his life out there every week, a JV receiving group even when healthy, and a defense that never seems to make the big stop against a big opponent along with allowing too many big plays when the game is on the line. Not to say I don't agree you need a physically and mentally gifted QB but there are a lot of other things that need to happen around that guy to make it work. tyrod is probably never going to have a better OL than he has now. When healthy this is likely also just about the best skill position talent he will see. ill buy that the injuries at WR/RB are a major challenge but injuries happen and we need a guy that can step up and steal a game or two when the chips are down around him if we want to be a contender. otherwise we are just hoping to be incredibly lucky. Edited October 31, 2016 by NoSaint
Reed83HOF Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 To some extent I could assign these excuses to the Bills too. You have a QB that's generally scrambling for his life out there every week, a JV receiving group even when healthy, and a defense that never seems to make the big stop against a big opponent along with allowing too many big plays when the game is on the line. Not to say I don't agree you need a physically and mentally gifted QB but there are a lot of other things that need to happen around that guy to make it work. Our OL is not that bad, the all 22 shows there are plays to be made and we leave them all over the field. Other QBS make plays with not great WRs, big difference is ball placement and not hanging them out to drive and requiring HOF skills to catch errant throws... Defense gets gassed because we are close to leading the league in 3 and outs. One could actually argue that we could be a really good D, if they aren't on the field the entire game. I know in the Phins game we gave them along first drive of the game, but at the end, they were gassed. NE game isn't worth talking about, Brady is Brady.. tyrod is probably never going to have a better OL than he has now. When healthy this is likely also just about the best skill position talent he will see. ill buy that the injuries at WR/RB are a major challenge but injuries happen and we need a guy that can step up and steal a game or two when the chips are down around him if we want to be a contender. otherwise we are just hoping to be incredibly lucky. TT has not shown the ability to step up and win a game and he has had chances...sigh
Andrew Son Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 IMO it's terrible for the sport for one position to be so important
BuffaloBaumer Posted October 31, 2016 Author Posted October 31, 2016 IMO it's terrible for the sport for one position to be so important What's more terrible is to be in Brady and Belicheck's division for what seems like the last 100 years
Buffalo Boy Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 Wide open QB play is never going to be part of the master plan under this HC There IS a plan?
Watkins101 Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 Colts problem is they have no offensive line and a pathetic D. Their GM might be one of the worst ever... Ravens are a team in transition with older and younger guys with not enough help at skill positions Chargers always have an offense, but can never field a defense. A shame really since Rivers is HOF great... You are forgetting the saints the past few years. If Drew Brees isn't elite, who is?
r00tabaga Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 Good thing that all these Tyrod threads are pinned to one master thread....oh wait Derp!
Big Gun Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 To some extent I could assign these excuses to the Bills too. You have a QB that's generally scrambling for his life out there every week, a JV receiving group even when healthy, and a defense that never seems to make the big stop against a big opponent along with allowing too many big plays when the game is on the line. Not to say I don't agree you need a physically and mentally gifted QB but there are a lot of other things that need to happen around that guy to make it work. Hardly, JV. Watkins, Woods, Clay, Hogan seems to be doing just fine with a real QB in New England. The QB is the straw that stirs the drink, when he stinks he makes everyone else look bad. As for TT pass yards and complaining about the 5th, 6th, 7th WR option on the team. I doesn't matter, TT still has the same stats regardless of who his WRs are. The guy stinks. Time to move on, again, my god this gets old.
nuklz2594 Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 tyrod is an athlete, not a quality qb. just like wade phillips was/is a coordinator, not a good head coach.
Fadingpain Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 Good thing that all these Tyrod threads are pinned to one master thread....oh wait Derp! You must be relatively new around here. Having 6 or 7 competing threads going on the same subject is par for the course.
Reed83HOF Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 You are forgetting the saints the past few years. If Drew Brees isn't elite, who is? Hard to believe the Chargers had him and then moved on to Rivers...Lucky
QCity Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 "Success is not guaranteed with a great QB, but failure almost certainly is without one." -Confucius It's true. To me this season was never about wins or losses or trying to squeak into the playoffs as a pretender. It was about TT and if he could prove he's our guy. It's just not happening. Unfortunately, he's just good enough to keep the coach and GM from getting fired, so he's going to be here 2 more years. Drink up.
Meatplow Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 this just isn't true IMO. Again, I'll say IN MY OPINION but Tom Brady was just a game manager when he won his first 3 with the Pats. Those teams were defensive driven. Much like Ben Rothlisberger when he won his 2. Defense, was the better unit in those teams by far. QBs that could manage the game and not make stupid mistakes. Eli Manning was in a similar situation, nobody has ever called him an elite QB, or even a great QB. But he's need average to good most of the time and had some season where he hasn't made stupid decision and lost games for his teams. Like when he won 2 SUperbowls against the Pats when their offenses were at an NFL greatest. Defense won those games as well. With that being said, a great QB will get you into those positions to be in the consideration of Super Bowl much easier than a really good defense will. What's crazy is he had such a good deep ball last year. This year.... Nothing Yeah, tell that to Andrew Luck
metzelaars_lives Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 But unfortunately even a QB is but one part of the puzzle. See Colts, Ravens and Chargers. See also: Broncos, Chiefs, Vikings, Texans.
Direhard Fan Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 I sure am in the minority. I like TT. Yesterday he was working with receivers that were not on the "A" squad from day one. Wood was not even 50%. Throw long? To who? No running back. Gellsie had his bell rung in the first quarter. Our great tight end Clay did What again? Get dinged. How can you blame TT. And Gilmore blames Meeks and crys like a baby. How many times did he get beat. TT got tackled ten yards out of bounds and no flag. He was dinged. It was a rough day. I expect better times ahead.
Dragonborn10 Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 I sure am in the minority. I like TT. Yesterday he was working with receivers that were not on the "A" squad from day one. Wood was not even 50%. Throw long? To who? No running back. Gellsie had his bell rung in the first quarter. Our great tight end Clay did What again? Get dinged. How can you blame TT. And Gilmore blames Meeks and crys like a baby. How many times did he get beat. TT got tackled ten yards out of bounds and no flag. He was dinged. It was a rough day. I expect better times ahead. Careful Diehard, those reasonable thoughts are not welcome on this board. You are much better off recommending the Bills start a rookie QB who couldn't win the starting job in college.
PromoTheRobot Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 You're right. All you need is Tom Brady. Why won't this team find the next Brady? It's so friggin' obvious.
Dr.Sack Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 Tyrod Taylor is getting better. He's not a complete QB but given more weapons he'd be doing much better. In 5 years Tom Brady will be retired and Tyrod will still be in his prime.
8-8 Forever? Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 yeah sure that is right. QB can't show much without NFL calibre WRs though.
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