dave mcbride Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 We can't even sniff the playoffs with this conservative formula and your talking about SB ok. He's not "talking SB" in the sense you're implying. I suspect you probably know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Glad you had a chuckle. I know I've busted your chops with the Sammy PUP/IR crap, but if you are willing to do the research, you will find that history bears out the theory of pass to score, run to win; your use of two outliers notwithstanding. I can name many teams passing to win specially in regular season. Although I will agree running game and defense is needed in playoffs. But gotta get there first. If the passing game is improved to AVG this team goes to playoffs year after year with the way it is built right now. So QB isn't improving change the QB maybe that sparks the passing game. i.e. How would Carson Wentz with this running game around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) how do you respond to a guy that wants to get in a strawman argument. Not picking up the option makes us worse, Really? Where is the proof in that? I would argue it keeps us the same with a higher ceiling No one can "prove" anything about next season, including you. It's all about speculation. I speculate that the Bills' offense will be worse without Taylor because of the available options. And I've seen enough bottoming out to know that teams that deliberately bottom out are poorly run in the first place and take forever to climb back. There's no Andrew Luck out there to cover Whaley's ass either. Not sure why you dislike Taylor so much. Why not just enjoy the ride while accepting his flaws? Edited November 29, 2016 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 I can name many teams passing to win specially in regular season. Although I will agree running game and defense is needed in playoffs. But gotta get there first. If the passing game is improved to AVG this team goes to playoffs year after year with the way it is built right now. So QB isn't improving change the QB maybe that sparks the passing game. i.e. How would Carson Wentz with this running game around him. Wentz hasn't been very good TBH. We're probably around the same. Maybe worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Romo 100%. Tag Gilmore. Go for broke for 1 more year. Brady v Romo 3 times. You mean go for a broken back. Romo simply cannot stay on the field. Jimmy G would be the only guy I'd trade for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 For the I lost track of how many times. Trubinksy, Watson, Rudolph and more will surface as the draft breakdown process starts Will they be better players than Taylor next season? Again, keeping Taylor doesn't preclude drafting a QB. How much stock do you put in the fact that the Bills are #1 in the league in fewest turnovers given up? As I'm sure you know, QBs account for most of a team's turnovers, whether through fumbles or interceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 You mean go for a broken back. Romo simply cannot stay on the field. Jimmy G would be the only guy I'd trade for. And they most likely won't trade him within the division. There will be multiple suitors, so our offer has to be so much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 And they most likely won't trade him within the division. There will be multiple suitors, so our offer has to be so much better. Hell they traded Bledsoe to the Bills so you never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 You mean go for a broken back. Romo simply cannot stay on the field. Jimmy G would be the only guy I'd trade for. Jimmy G guarantees 2 losses to the Pats every year. Romo can go toe to toe with the best QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 You mean go for a broken back. Romo simply cannot stay on the field. Jimmy G would be the only guy I'd trade for. Tony Romo will be 37 in April too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 The Bills are averaging 26 points per game with Taylor. It doesn't look pretty but that is a respectable total. I want him back but at a lower salary than he is scheduled to make next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Jimmy G guarantees 2 losses to the Pats every year. Romo can go toe to toe with the best QBs. He was a great player, but he has so many bone issues and he's getting very, very long in the tooth. It's all fantasy though - no way does Jones trade a player he loves to a place he thinks is akin to Siberia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 I can name many teams passing to win specially in regular season. Although I will agree running game and defense is needed in playoffs. But gotta get there first. If the passing game is improved to AVG this team goes to playoffs year after year with the way it is built right now. So QB isn't improving change the QB maybe that sparks the passing game. i.e. How would Carson Wentz with this running game around him. Don't take my posts as knocking anything about the passing game. Especially great passing games led by elite QBs (they are in woefully short supply). And perhaps you are taking "run to win" too literally. Maybe "run to seal the deal" would be better. Great teams can pound the rock when needed to close the deal. NE*** included. Anyway, when you have a few days with nothing better to do, crunch all the historical numbers and you'll see. It was coaches that coined the phrase "pass to score, run to win" and there's a reason for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 No one can "prove" anything about next season, including you. It's all about speculation. I speculate that the Bills' offense will be worse without Taylor because of the available options. And I've seen enough bottoming out to know that teams that deliberately bottom out are poorly run in the first place and take forever to climb back. There's no Andrew Luck out there to cover Whaley's ass either. Not sure why you dislike Taylor so much. Why not just enjoy the ride while accepting his flaws? Because I have seen enough Bad to AVG at best QB in Buffalo for the past 16 years. I would like a QB that can actually get you better than .500. And with Tyrod I was hopeful last year but then regressed bad this year. So why should I feel optimistic Wentz hasn't been very good TBH. We're probably around the same. Maybe worse. We likely would be right about where we are but with real room for growth not a QB at his ceiling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Because I have seen enough Bad to AVG at best QB in Buffalo for the past 16 years. I would like a QB that can actually get you better than .500. And with Tyrod I was hopeful last year but then regressed bad this year. So why should I feel optimistic I don't believe in QB records at all, but the team is better than .500 with him - 14-11, actually (56 percent win). Another thing to keep in mind: it's a truism, but it's also true--things can always get worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 No one can "prove" anything about next season, including you. It's all about speculation. I speculate that the Bills' offense will be worse without Taylor because of the available options. And I've seen enough bottoming out to know that teams that deliberately bottom out are poorly run in the first place and take forever to climb back. There's no Andrew Luck out there to cover Whaley's ass either. Not sure why you dislike Taylor so much. Why not just enjoy the ride while accepting his flaws? This stands to reason and is really common sense. We won't be in a position to draft a QB that has any REASONABLE chance of stepping in and these young never weres like Garrapolo, Glennon, etc., won't have had 6 seasons in the league and two seasons in the same system. For better or worse, the Bills will have to retain TT while grooming a better QB behind him to be his replacement eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Not sure why you dislike Taylor so much. Why not just enjoy the ride while accepting his flaws? This what I keep thinking over and over and over Hell they traded Bledsoe to the Bills so you never know. That was a washed up version of Bledsoe on the tail end of his career. Just my opinion but I think the Pats* weren't worried about Bledsoe making a difference. If they trade Jimmy G to us I would have to imagine they would have the same opinion. If they thought he was any good I could see them sending Brady out before trading Jimmy in the division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Because I have seen enough Bad to AVG at best QB in Buffalo for the past 16 years. I would like a QB that can actually get you better than .500. And with Tyrod I was hopeful last year but then regressed bad this year. So why should I feel optimistic We likely would be right about where we are but with real room for growth not a QB at his ceiling I just want to point out that: 1) You have absolutely no idea where we would be with another QB. 2) You have absolutely no idea what Tyrod's ceiling is. 3) You have absolutely no idea what Wentz's growth potential is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Tell thy to the 9-2 Raiders or the Patriots lol Tell it to the Falcons or Saints who cant even make the playoffs in a crap division. What has it been 3yrs since either made the playoffs? Probably at 9-7 too, as usual. So impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Will they be better players than Taylor next season? Again, keeping Taylor doesn't preclude drafting a QB. How much stock do you put in the fact that the Bills are #1 in the league in fewest turnovers given up? As I'm sure you know, QBs account for most of a team's turnovers, whether through fumbles or interceptions. Yes they would give me .500 play just like Taylor. But with an actual high ceiling. Guess the argument comes down to can TT get better, I don't think so after 6 years and little to no improvement instead regression from one year to the next. I don't want to marry myself to a QB that is at his ceiling and not good enough for the next 2 years min. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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