CountDorkula Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 I agree with dvneau, middle of the pack right now. AS strictly a QB, I would put him bottom 5. Included athlete and a play maker, 15-20.
jms62 Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 Whaley and more recently Rex have proven they can be league average. Not all of the game is QB play, but a significant amount is. I look at it this way: Gailey and Nix believed the could win with Fitzpatrick and were wrong. I think Whaley and Rex think they could win with Tyrod. So far, they're not losing with TT, but they're not winning enough You're not enamored with the non-threatening pick, Cardale Jones? The guy picked specifically because he was a classic project and wouldn't threaten EJ's place on the roster and certainly not TT's place as a starter. I've long felt the front office is scared to death of a QB controversy. And their personnel decisions bear that out, particularly since 2010. They are scoring more points than in the last 25 years. The offense is not the problem here.
CountDorkula Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 Whaley and more recently Rex have proven they can be league average. Not all of the game is QB play, but a significant amount is. I look at it this way: Gailey and Nix believed the could win with Fitzpatrick and were wrong. I think Whaley and Rex think they could win with Tyrod. So far, they're not losing with TT, but they're not winning enough You're not enamored with the non-threatening pick, Cardale Jones? The guy picked specifically because he was a classic project and wouldn't threaten EJ's place on the roster and certainly not TT's place as a starter. I've long felt the front office is scared to death of a QB controversy. And their personnel decisions bear that out, particularly since 2010. I for one hope that Cardale proves himself to be better than Tyrod, not because of my "dislike" for Taylor, but because it would mean he is better, which is better for the Bills.
MAJBobby Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 To go along with QB play that doesnt turn the ball over and scores points. Our running game IS what makes our offense go.....that is the way the coaching staff wants it For the last time......Tyrod is not a pocket passer. I think we have different definitions of feeling pressure. Tyrod is very good at getting away from WOULD BE sacks as well...you cannot discount that. Where have I ever called TT a pocket passer I haven't I called him not a good QB in the pocket. You can be a running QB and have pocket pretense see Wilson, Cam, Mariota, Dak, Winston
CountDorkula Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 They are scoring more points than in the last 25 years. The offense is not the problem here. I have said it time and time again, do not compare the current Bills to the ineptitude and futility of Bills past. You are setting the bar extremely low to be "good" Instead compare it to the rest of the NFL.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) AS strictly a QB, I would put him bottom 5. Included athlete and a play maker, 15-20. I'd put him ahead of cleveland QB 1-3, Bears QBs, Rams QBs, Philly, NYJ, jax, 49ers, and Houston. and in line with baltimore, Arizona, minnesota, miami, denver. Edited November 29, 2016 by dneveu
MAJBobby Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 His contract is confusing TBH - so its hard to project out the actual damage. But we wouldn't be responsible for his base salaries if we traded him afaik. So i THINK it would just be the 15.5 option bonus and a couple million of the signing bonus - that we could split over 2 years. So i guess the trade would have to be for something more than pennies for us to consider it. Still less than his cap hit over the next 2 years with him on the roster - so still lowers the cap cost. really the only real way to know the Dead money impact is after option is picked up. But I do know if they due 2016 and 2017 become guaranteed. Then trading him say camp time is hard as well only reason Bradford got traded was because of INJ. That doesn't happen often
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) I have said it time and time again, do not compare the current Bills to the ineptitude and futility of Bills past. You are setting the bar extremely low to be "good" Instead compare it to the rest of the NFL. Aren't they scoring more than a good portion of the rest of the NFL? really the only real way to know the Dead money impact is after option is picked up. But I do know if they due 2016 and 2017 become guaranteed. Then trading him say camp time is hard as well only reason Bradford got traded was because of INJ. That doesn't happen often 2016/17 have large base salaries, which we wouldn't pay if we traded him. The rest is an option bonus - which we pick up for next year and split over 4 years, and the remainder of his signing bonus. We would have to pay both years of base salary if we cut him though - so that wouldn't happen. Edited November 29, 2016 by dneveu
reddogblitz Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 I've long felt the front office is scared to death of a QB controversy. And their personnel decisions bear that out, particularly since 2010. Not necessarily. Bringing in an established vet to take over the first round 2nd year QB and the following year have Hotrod vs EJ vs Matt Cassell Duke it out in TC seems otherwise.
CountDorkula Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 Aren't they scoring more than a good portion of the rest of the NFL? 2016/17 have large base salaries, which we wouldn't pay if we traded him. We would have to pay both if we cut him though. Yes, they are. The offense as a whole has been good. Running game has been dominant. Best in the league, save maybe Dallas. I am always left wanting more from Taylor. There are several times a game I look at and go what the hell was he thinking there. I want a complete game from him. If he fails to move the ball again in the game V Oakland and get lead 9 yards of offense in Q1 like against Jax, the game will be over and fast.
MAJBobby Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) Aren't they scoring more than a good portion of the rest of the NFL? 2016/17 have large base salaries, which we wouldn't pay if we traded him. The rest is an option bonus - which we pick up for next year and split over 4 years, and the remainder of his signing bonus. We would have to pay both years of base salary if we cut him though - so that wouldn't happen. Again what I am saying is there is No Guarantee that they can trade him. I think I am at this point with him. Do not pick up the option. But because I think he is the best QB we have had in years work to bring him back on a new deal maybe similar to this one where it is another prove it deal essentially kicking the decision to end of 2017. I don't pick up his current option though But end of day doesn't matter because no matter what happens this season Rex will be back and hence Tyrod option will be picked up. Edited November 29, 2016 by MAJBobby
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 Again what I am saying is there is No Guarantee that they can trade him. I think I am at this point with him. Do not pick up the option. But because I think he is the best QB we have had in years work to bring him back on a new deal maybe similar to this one where it is another prove it deal essentially kicking the decision to end of 2017. I don't pick up his current option though But end of day doesn't matter because no matter what happens this season Rex will be back and hence Tyrod option will be picked up. The problem is if we don't pick it up - he's not gonna sniff us. We're left with rookies/projects/and the rest of the leagues trash. For every dak, there's an osweiler deal, everything going on in cleveland, etc. Even the 1/2 overall picks haven't really put up much.
26CornerBlitz Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 Interesting in light of this Tyrod discussion. @RealFootballTV 6 teams passed for 300+ yards, they went 2-4. 4 teams rushed for 100+ yards, they went 3-1. For more on week 12: http://goo.gl/WlOhq0
dave mcbride Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 Then they have to cut him and not pick up the option I strongly disagree with this. Strongly. Getting worse doesn't make you get better.
jms62 Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 I have said it time and time again, do not compare the current Bills to the ineptitude and futility of Bills past. You are setting the bar extremely low to be "good" Instead compare it to the rest of the NFL. How is that setting the bar low? They are putting up the points needed to win but their defense is allowing too many. This years offense and Schwartz's Defense and we are a Super Bowl contender. IMO
dave mcbride Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 Whaley and more recently Rex have proven quite well they can be league average. So far, they're not losing with TT, but they're not winning enough either. The teams advancing to the post-season are doing it with better QB play and I'm not seeing enough from TT that he can lead this team to a 10+ win season. It seems the Bills are content with a guy until he proves he can't play. Then they begin the search anew, hoping to find someone during which time they struggle. If TT can't get the job done, someone should be there waiting to get a chance. If the front office is unwilling to do that, it's imperative to find someone who'll stop playing office politics. You're not enamored with the non-threatening pick, Cardale Jones? The guy drafted specifically because he was a classic project and wouldn't threaten EJ's place on the roster or TT's place as a starter. Check out my third-to-last sentence.
jms62 Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 I strongly disagree with this. Strongly. Getting worse doesn't make you get better. Exactly because by time the new QB comes up to speed whatever is working now needs to be retooled. Moving off a QB puts us 5 more years away and I don't want to hear about Romo because at this stage he is nearly a guarantee to digress because of age or miss significant time due to injury.
Buftex Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 What happened to Tyrods' accuracy? Accuracy was not one of his glaring weaknesses in 2015...what is different this year?
dave mcbride Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) Factoring in all of the caveats about his passing flaws, does the fact that the Bills' offense IS FREAKING #1 IN THE NFL in the fewest-turnovers-surrendered category count for anyeffingthing? http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2016.htm 8th in points scored and suffering hardly any turnovers: it's not mere correlation. Taylor has fumbled it 3 times this season and lost it once. Stafford and Cam Newton have fumbled twice. Newton has played one less game than Taylor; Panthers' QBs have fumbled it three times in total collectively. They're the only ones who have fumbled it fewer times. Brady has fumbled it twice, but collectively the Pats' QBs have fumbled it 7 times. Ryan and Brees have fumbled it 3 times. Carson Palmer has fumbled 11 times, which tells you about a bit about the Cardinals' season this year. Exactly because by time the new QB comes up to speed whatever is working now needs to be retooled. Moving off a QB puts us 5 more years away and I don't want to hear about Romo because at this stage he is nearly a guarantee to digress because of age or miss significant time due to injury. Yup, and moreover Tony Romo ain't moving to Buffalo. Edited November 29, 2016 by dave mcbride
26CornerBlitz Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 What happened to Tyrods' accuracy? Accuracy was not one of his glaring weaknesses in 2015...what is different this year? Good question. His accuracy has been lacking all season long except in the Seattle game where it was excellent.
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