MAJBobby Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 Is it that far fetched that he didnt completely trust his protection after working with Wood this whole time? That is possible. Trust is biult Is it possible the protection was there and the QB move into the pocket than closer to an escape route because he always looks to run. His pocket presence is horrible so now we are down to blaming the OL for his mistake when they have the pocket set up. Is that really were we are?
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) Then they have to cut him and not pick up the option I hang onto him - still draft someone - and if the new guy can take the job, look to trade him. There'll be something of a market, and the dead cap number probably won't kill us. Sort of like what Philly did, but probably not spending 2 1sts, and not expecting nearly a 1st for Tyrod. Can a cutler or hoyer be as good? Maybe if they could stay healthy - which neither has done in like 5 years. But if we're just going to hope a rookie is better, why not just keep the known commodity and push him. Edited November 29, 2016 by dneveu
Maury Ballstein Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 It was actually Groy's 2nd game as starting Center. In any case, what does that matter with regard to the QB's pocket presence or lack thereof? It's his go to move. Bash all other bills in an attempt to elevate halfrod.
John from Riverside Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 Do you know what they call a QB who can't trust protection that is there? ****ty pocket presence. JMC....Tyrod does not have bad pocket presense....if he did he would not feel the pressure that IS there and escape which he does routinely. There are issues with certain parts of his game....this is not one of them. He doesnt abandon his pocket because he has bad pocket presense.
KD in CA Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 Then they have to cut him and not pick up the option The dilemma is they have no other options. It was be easier if they were going to be 4-12 and he was terrible. He's not terrible, but he has a hard ceiling based on his passing limitations. 9-7 is the new 6-10.
fridge Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 First off, as always, stats are for losers. This isn't baseball, and I don't give a !@#$ about any idiot who's emotionally invested in fantasy football. (no offense to said idiots) I predicted in August that this season rides on TT's shoulders, and the season's not over yet. I'll reserve final judgment until then. He hasn't taken the next step that I wanted to see, but he's not losing games either. Right now, if this team misses the playoffs once again, he is one of the last persons I'd blame. If the team makes the playoffs, he will be a God in Buffalo, at least for a year or so. He's got a lot riding on these next 5 games, and I'm pulling for him to come through. If he ends up being shown the door, so be it, I root for the jersey not the player. Oh yeah, don't care about conventional or unconvential QBs, just win. So, you didn't answer my question and instead went off about fantasy football and stats? I'll again ask... How good do you think Tyrod Taylor is, compared to the rest of the starting QB's in the league?
MAJBobby Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 Here is what makes our Offense go. Spoiler Alert it isn't The QB https://twitter.com/yardsperpass/status/803661148344217600
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 So, you didn't answer my question and instead went off about fantasy football and stats? I'll again ask... How good do you think Tyrod Taylor is, compared to the rest of the starting QB's in the league? Somewhere in the middle. Not the best - not the worst.
John from Riverside Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 Is it possible the protection was there and the QB move into the pocket than closer to an escape route because he always looks to run. His pocket presence is horrible so now we are down to blaming the OL for his mistake when they have the pocket set up. Is that really were we are? He does not have bad pocket presense.....but I do think about keeping the "escape route open" is totally true. I mean....this is who Tyrod is....he is a running quarterback. You gotta take the bad with the good on this.
MAJBobby Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 I hang onto him - still draft someone - and if the new guy can take the job, look to trade him. There'll be something of a market, and the dead cap number probably won't kill us. Sort of like what Philly did, but probably not spending 2 1sts, and not expecting nearly a 1st for Tyrod. Can a cutler or hoyer be as good? Maybe if they could stay healthy - which neither has done in like 5 years. But if we're just going to hope a rookie is better, why not just keep the known commodity and push him. You pick his option up it Guarantees 2016 and 2017. The dead money then gets really bad. Best move is to not pick up the option and re-sign him (if you want to keep him)
BringBackOrton Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 JMC....Tyrod does not have bad pocket presense....if he did he would not feel the pressure that IS there and escape which he does routinely. There are issues with certain parts of his game....this is not one of them. He doesnt abandon his pocket because he has bad pocket presense. That play is the definition of sensing ghost pressure. There is no pressure up the middle and he sidesteps almost out of the pocket. And your first reaction is to blame the OL who blocked his man for a net of 1 yard. That's a joke.
MAJBobby Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 He does not have bad pocket presense.....but I do think about keeping the "escape route open" is totally true. I mean....this is who Tyrod is....he is a running quarterback. You gotta take the bad with the good on this. He does have really bad pocket presence. He feels Ghost Pressure a lot, when he moves in the pocket it is moving to run not to get in a lane to throw. He is not good in the pocket
John from Riverside Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 Here is what makes our Offense go. Spoiler Alert it isn't The QB https://twitter.com/yardsperpass/status/803661148344217600 To go along with QB play that doesnt turn the ball over and scores points. Our running game IS what makes our offense go.....that is the way the coaching staff wants it He does have really bad pocket presence. He feels Ghost Pressure a lot, when he moves in the pocket it is moving to run not to get in a lane to throw. He is not good in the pocket For the last time......Tyrod is not a pocket passer. I think we have different definitions of feeling pressure. Tyrod is very good at getting away from WOULD BE sacks as well...you cannot discount that.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) You pick his option up it Guarantees 2016 and 2017. The dead money then gets really bad. Best move is to not pick up the option and re-sign him (if you want to keep him) His contract is confusing TBH - so its hard to project out the actual damage. But we wouldn't be responsible for his base salaries if we traded him afaik. So i THINK it would just be the 15.5 option bonus and a couple million of the signing bonus - that we could split over 2 years. So i guess the trade would have to be for something more than pennies for us to consider it. Still less than his cap hit over the next 2 years with him on the roster - so still lowers the cap cost. Edited November 29, 2016 by dneveu
CountDorkula Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 To go along with QB play that doesnt turn the ball over and scores points. Our running game IS what makes our offense go.....that is the way the coaching staff wants it For the last time......Tyrod is not a pocket passer. I think we have different definitions of feeling pressure. Tyrod is very good at getting away from WOULD BE sacks as well...you cannot discount that. Yea, he feels a lot of pressure that isint there. Also, several of those would be sacks are ones that he has scrambled into for no reason then has to Houdini escape.
BringBackOrton Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) To go along with QB play that doesnt turn the ball over and scores points. Our running game IS what makes our offense go.....that is the way the coaching staff wants it For the last time......Tyrod is not a pocket passer. I think we have different definitions of feeling pressure. Tyrod is very good at getting away from WOULD BE sacks as well...you cannot discount that. There has never been a QB who feels ghost pressure regularly who has "good pocket presence." Just because TT is a good athlete doesn't make him any less deficient at QB. Hunter is huge and can jump high but he still sucks at catching. One doesn't invalidate the other. Edited November 29, 2016 by jmc12290
reddogblitz Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 Here is one there was some pressure but just step up and make the freaking throw Jesus https://twitter.com/yardsperpass/status/803651639185813505 THis looks like a designed send everybody long/QB draw. He got 10 yards.
26CornerBlitz Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) Gotta give credit where it's due. @YardsPerPass Next drive.... Sammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmy Watch TT move the FS too https://twitter.com/i/videos/tweet/803663883856650240 http://youtu.be/YS1KG1_M3m4 Edited November 29, 2016 by 26CornerBlitz
Rico Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 So, you didn't answer my question and instead went off about fantasy football and stats? I'll again ask... How good do you think Tyrod Taylor is, compared to the rest of the starting QB's in the league? I agree with dvneau, middle of the pack right now.
BillsVet Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) He's a league-average QB who is going to be better than the available alternatives this offseason. He has some obvious issues, but he also does some things very well. He will be a better player than any rookie next season or any available free agent. They should draft a rookie QB early on, however. That seems to me be the long and short of it. All the rest is noise. Whaley and more recently Rex have proven quite well they can be league average. So far, they're not losing with TT, but they're not winning enough either. The teams advancing to the post-season are doing it with better QB play and I'm not seeing enough from TT that he can lead this team to a 10+ win season. It seems the Bills are content with a guy until he proves he can't play. Then they begin the search anew, hoping to find someone during which time they struggle. If TT can't get the job done, someone should be there waiting to get a chance. If the front office is unwilling to do that, it's imperative to find someone who'll stop playing office politics. I hang onto him - still draft someone - and if the new guy can take the job, look to trade him. There'll be something of a market, and the dead cap number probably won't kill us. Sort of like what Philly did, but probably not spending 2 1sts, and not expecting nearly a 1st for Tyrod. Can a cutler or hoyer be as good? Maybe if they could stay healthy - which neither has done in like 5 years. But if we're just going to hope a rookie is better, why not just keep the known commodity and push him. You're not enamored with the non-threatening pick, Cardale Jones? The guy drafted specifically because he was a classic project and wouldn't threaten EJ's place on the roster or TT's place as a starter. Edited November 29, 2016 by BillsVet
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