Maury Ballstein Posted November 23, 2016 Posted November 23, 2016 I am so glad most of you are realizing he is not the guy. I have been persecuted for two years, arguing this point. At the cap hit that we would eat if they allow his contract to go beyond next year, would devistate this team for years. No way I want to end up like the Ravens. Tie Rod is not the answer. It was evident he stunk after that second pats game last year. When did you know?
MAJBobby Posted November 23, 2016 Posted November 23, 2016 Of course they do, but why does it seem like every game we go back and look and there are multiple instances of Taylor just not seeing wide open Receivers multiple times a game. This was not just the Cinci game, it has been all season. A good QB makes the throw to Tate and Not Clay. Exactly that's why I specifically worded it the way I did
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 23, 2016 Posted November 23, 2016 For my part I do from time to time. Normally when someone appears to be playing much better or worse than I expect from them. I've watched Aaron Rodgers all 22 a couple of times this year, Kirk Cousins once, Dak once, Tannehill once. It is fair to say that when you watch any Quarterback on the all 22 you see plays left on the field. It just is not usually in the quantities that Tyrod demonstrated on Sunday. Even some of his biggest fans on this board admit he had a really poor game on Sunday. I watch the all 22 of the Bills game every week.... this was one probably the worst game of Tyrod's tenure as our starting Quarterback... coming one game after his best. Just having played some football - it's not uncommon to go back to the huddle and be like - "dude - i was wide open... look at me!"
Maury Ballstein Posted November 23, 2016 Posted November 23, 2016 Just having played some football - it's not uncommon to go back to the huddle and be like - "dude - i was wide open... look at me!" You think there's another qb in the league that would have missed throwing toTate there ?
26CornerBlitz Posted November 23, 2016 Posted November 23, 2016 There's a lot of rinse and repeat here in the 2016 season. @BuffRumblings Tyrod’s Cincy performance was more of his style: Occasional brilliance mixed with lousy field reading. https://t.co/OXBt0qt1et
Gugny Posted November 23, 2016 Posted November 23, 2016 There's a lot of rinse and repeat here in the 2016 season. @BuffRumblings Tyrod’s Cincy performance was more of his style: Occasional brilliance mixed with lousy field reading. https://t.co/OXBt0qt1et When he says occasional .... does he mean non-existent? Because he did absolutely nothing even remotely close to "good," let alone, "brilliant."
GunnerBill Posted November 23, 2016 Posted November 23, 2016 Just having played some football - it's not uncommon to go back to the huddle and be like - "dude - i was wide open... look at me!" Of course and as I say... you see plays left on the field every game by every Quarterback. There were just a lot on Sunday and many of them were either WIDE open or potential big plays missed.
BADOLBILZ Posted November 23, 2016 Posted November 23, 2016 Seriously? Why would you not throw it to the wr who is wide open by himself in the end zone? Very simple......if the first guy in your progression is open in the end zone you throw it. The fact that one guy was more open elsewhere is irrelevant. I've been critical of Tyrod all season but this isn't a checkdown at the expense of a 50 yard gain.........6 points is the maximum result......there aren't extra points awarded for hitting the "more open" option. Tyrod's field vision post-snap is a problem.......but what bothers me more is that it should be obvious where the ball should be going pre-snap more often than not. My guess is that the HS level of sophistication in the Bills passing game is allowing so inclined DC's to anticipate and make subtle adjustments to either take away or minimize the success of Tyrod's original reads. He's very slow thru them and impatient in the pocket and cautious by nature so my guess is that often times that free running receiver was option 3 or 4 on that play that he never gets to. And it's become part of a DC's gameplan now. I have posed the possibility that Tyrod's focus level varies.........but the reality is that some teams, like the Seahawks, just do not change their defensive gameplan for opponents, which could explain the comfort in Tyrod's game that night.
John from Riverside Posted November 23, 2016 Posted November 23, 2016 Very simple......if the first guy in your progression is open in the end zone you throw it. The fact that one guy was more open elsewhere is irrelevant. I've been critical of Tyrod all season but this isn't a checkdown at the expense of a 50 yard gain.........6 points is the maximum result......there aren't extra points awarded for hitting the "more open" option. Tyrod's field vision post-snap is a problem.......but what bothers me more is that it should be obvious where the ball should be going pre-snap more often than not. My guess is that the HS level of sophistication in the Bills passing game is allowing so inclined DC's to anticipate and make subtle adjustments to either take away or minimize the success of Tyrod's original reads. He's very slow thru them and impatient in the pocket and cautious by nature so my guess is that often times that free running receiver was option 3 or 4 on that play that he never gets to. And it's become part of a DC's gameplan now. I have posed the possibility that Tyrod's focus level varies.........but the reality is that some teams, like the Seahawks, just do not change their defensive gameplan for opponents, which could explain the comfort in Tyrod's game that night. I think all this is pretty accurate. There are some things that Tyrod does not do well and some things that literally nobody can do as well. The question for me becomes.....how do you help him with the things he does not do well? You could start with better quality weapons. There is a reason why the Tyrod/Watkins combo was smokin in the 2nd half of last year....because Sammy Watkins is literally a uncoverable receiver...his injuries have been frustrating but his talent level is AJ Green Couple that with Wood in and out of injury.....and just when they start to get the chemistry he is hurt again. I really want a safety high in next years draft....but I would totally understand if the bills took a big physical quality pass catcher Tyrod isnt going anywhere.....Rex is not going anywhere......people can B word about it till the cows come home but this is what it is. Might as well do everything to make it work.
GunnerBill Posted November 23, 2016 Posted November 23, 2016 I have posed the possibility that Tyrod's focus level varies.........but the reality is that some teams, like the Seahawks, just do not change their defensive gameplan for opponents, which could explain the comfort in Tyrod's game that night. I disagree on the Clay / Tate play - the point on that play is confuse the DBs get them to both jump one way. That is what they did the read is simple you go outside for a simple touchdown. I do, however, agree with you on the quoted bit above. I think you might be on to something. Seattle play their defense every week and can because of their talent level and the simplicity of their scheme. It may well have been a factor in Tyrod's comfort level in that game. As Bill Belichick famously said of them in that Superbowl "there is no mystery here fellas." So every look Tyrod got was pretty much kne he expected cutting down the amount he had to process post snap.
26CornerBlitz Posted November 23, 2016 Posted November 23, 2016 @salmaiorana Amazing stat of the day: Bills have 67 300-yard passing games in their 57-year history. Drew Brees has 102, Peyton Manning 93, Tom Brady 75. The reason this came up - Tyrod has no 300-yard games, so I thought about Bills history. Kelly only did it 26 times.
John from Riverside Posted November 23, 2016 Posted November 23, 2016 Of course they do, but why does it seem like every game we go back and look and there are multiple instances of Taylor just not seeing wide open Receivers multiple times a game. This was not just the Cinci game, it has been all season. A good QB makes the throw to Tate and Not Clay. Makes you wonder how we score all those points?
GunnerBill Posted November 23, 2016 Posted November 23, 2016 @salmaiorana Amazing stat of the day: Bills have 67 300-yard passing games in their 57-year history. Drew Brees has 102, Peyton Manning 93, Tom Brady 75. The reason this came up - Tyrod has no 300-yard games, so I thought about Bills history. Kelly only did it 26 times. EJ never had one either did he? Aren't 290 somethings the best for both? Did Orton manage 1 or 2? Fitz had a few as I recall.
dave mcbride Posted November 23, 2016 Posted November 23, 2016 (edited) Very simple......if the first guy in your progression is open in the end zone you throw it. The fact that one guy was more open elsewhere is irrelevant. I've been critical of Tyrod all season but this isn't a checkdown at the expense of a 50 yard gain.........6 points is the maximum result......there aren't extra points awarded for hitting the "more open" option. Tyrod's field vision post-snap is a problem.......but what bothers me more is that it should be obvious where the ball should be going pre-snap more often than not. My guess is that the HS level of sophistication in the Bills passing game is allowing so inclined DC's to anticipate and make subtle adjustments to either take away or minimize the success of Tyrod's original reads. He's very slow thru them and impatient in the pocket and cautious by nature so my guess is that often times that free running receiver was option 3 or 4 on that play that he never gets to. And it's become part of a DC's gameplan now. I have posed the possibility that Tyrod's focus level varies.........but the reality is that some teams, like the Seahawks, just do not change their defensive gameplan for opponents, which could explain the comfort in Tyrod's game that night. Good observation re Seattle. At the end of games they win so often because their simple d utilizes better players to win matchups: cliff avril vs mills (the threat of avril is why tt had to roll out) and cam chancellor, who more than held his own against gronk and shut him down on the pats final play. it happens all the time with them at the end of close games, which is when scheming strategy goes out of the window and it comes down to talent on talent. Edited November 23, 2016 by dave mcbride
QCity Posted November 23, 2016 Posted November 23, 2016 @salmaiorana Amazing stat of the day: Bills have 67 300-yard passing games in their 57-year history. Drew Brees has 102, Peyton Manning 93, Tom Brady 75. The reason this came up - Tyrod has no 300-yard games, so I thought about Bills history. Kelly only did it 26 times. That stat is only amazing to the people (Sal M.) still in denial that the NFL has shifted to a passing league. We haven't had a QB since that shift -- we've been bringing a water pistol to a machine gun fight for the past decade+ Fitz had a few as I recall. I know he threw for 374 this season.
BADOLBILZ Posted November 23, 2016 Posted November 23, 2016 I disagree on the Clay / Tate play - the point on that play is confuse the DBs get them to both jump one way. That is what they did the read is simple you go outside for a simple touchdown. I do, however, agree with you on the quoted bit above. I think you might be on to something. Seattle play their defense every week and can because of their talent level and the simplicity of their scheme. It may well have been a factor in Tyrod's comfort level in that game. As Bill Belichick famously said of them in that Superbowl "there is no mystery here fellas." So every look Tyrod got was pretty much kne he expected cutting down the amount he had to process post snap. No question about the read being Tate once the DB's committed. But Clay flashed open before Tate turned. Tom Brady patiently lofts that to Tate for an easy 6 because he sees behind the receivers at how the D has reacted. Tyrod doesn't appear to see the DB's he is just looking for the open white jersey. Maybe the game slows down for Tyrod at some point.......but right now he seems pretty vulnerable to game planning and I think his awareness of it shows in his hesitation. This is where having the "always open" kind of receiving targets could create a synergy greater than simply adding those extra parts. If that pass to Clay is instead to Sammy and hits him in the numbers we aren't talking about whether it was an appropriate decision.
GunnerBill Posted November 23, 2016 Posted November 23, 2016 No question about the read being Tate once the DB's committed. But Clay flashed open before Tate turned. Tom Brady patiently lofts that to Tate for an easy 6 because he sees behind the receivers at how the D has reacted. Tyrod doesn't appear to see the DB's he is just looking for the open white jersey. Maybe the game slows down for Tyrod at some point.......but right now he seems pretty vulnerable to game planning and I think his awareness of it shows in his hesitation. This is where having the "always open" kind of receiving targets could create a synergy greater than simply adding those extra parts. If that pass to Clay is instead to Sammy and hits him in the numbers we aren't talking about whether it was an appropriate decision. No you are right - if it gets caught you get away with the wrong decision and that is where better targets help out but it didn't hit Clay in the numbers either it was not a perfect throw. I don't disagree that if you are persisting with Tyrod (and the chances are we are) you increase his margin for error by giving him better weapons. I just agree with others that I can't think of many starting Quarterbacks in the league who do not make that read.
26CornerBlitz Posted November 23, 2016 Posted November 23, 2016 @Andy_Benoit #Bills #Bengals Film: Taylor no pocket poise early on, moved in a perfect pocket a number of times. Johnson sack was another example.
Blokestradamus Posted November 23, 2016 Posted November 23, 2016 @Andy_Benoit #Bills #Bengals Film: Taylor no pocket poise early on, moved in a perfect pocket a number of times. Johnson sack was another example. @Andy_Benoit A QB could go to the Pro Bowl every year if he made half the throws that Tyrod Taylor leaves out on the field each week.
26CornerBlitz Posted November 23, 2016 Posted November 23, 2016 @Andy_Benoit A QB could go to the Pro Bowl every year if he made half the throws that Tyrod Taylor leaves out on the field each week. Ouch!
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