Toledo Bill Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Hail to other 50+ years Bill's fans. We have suffered a long time. Why can't a simple business decision be made here? If, year after year your company fails (and I am only talking a couple of years) and you have made several unsuccessful management changes... it is very simple... you remove the top guy (our buddy Russ). The other option is that if your company is financially successful (as the Bill's are, due to our ridiculous loyalty). You are satisfied with the status quo. I fear the Bills continue in this mode. I think of Pegula as a "fan's owner and sure hope he looks at the team as failing (in a win/loss perspective). If so please, please get rid of the snake oil salesman or reduce his position to just marketing (and do'nt tell me they have). Go Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Hail to other 50+ years Bill's fans. We have suffered a long time. Why can't a simple business decision be made here? If, year after year your company fails (and I am only talking a couple of years) and you have made several unsuccessful management changes... it is very simple... you remove the top guy (our buddy Russ). The other option is that if your company is financially successful (as the Bill's are, due to our ridiculous loyalty) NFL's revenue sharing model. You are satisfied with the status quo. I fear the Bills continue in this mode. I think of Pegula as a "fan's owner and sure hope he looks at the team as failing (in a win/loss perspective). If so please, please get rid of the snake oil salesman or reduce his position to just marketing (and do'nt tell me they have). Go Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Time to start the tank! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 That comment wasn't about Rex it was Marrone. Granted that was a Nix and Brandon Hire. Whaley knew he was a conservative minded coach with a ? At QB. Traded up for Sammy. Again I like Sammy a ton I think he will be a dynamic WR with a QB. But my point was is that really the draft pick the team that Marrone was fielding needed. Those are my questions to Whaley and again I like Whaley I think he has one hell of an eye for talent of the field, but that is a scout not a GM. Pegulas have similar on their Hockey Team one hell of an eye for talent. The different is it is GMTM show over there. Here in Bills land I really question if it is Whaleys show There have been plenty of opportunities for Whaley to exert his philosophy of how to build a football team in his time there and he had failed miserably. There are plenty of good talent evaluators out there. There is a great one currently out of a job in Tom Gamble. This organization needs a top CEO type personality a la Pete Carroll, Bill Belichek, Ted Thompson, Andy Reid, or Elway. Whaley is not that person; if he was, the Steelers do not let him leave for a lateral position. Rex is not that person. Rex plus a strong GM = fine Whaley plus an alpha coach = fine Together, they will not work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I'd keep Whaley. With respect to Rex and his bro, the sooner they're gone the better. We have a number of good players and we should retain a number of them, but they need competent leadership. When you start sorting thru who to keep and who to get rid of, the likes of Gilmore, who is overrated and wants to bankrupt you, should be no brainers; get rid of them. Also, we'll remain mediocre so long as we start a mediocre quarterback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I think I am fine with Pegula giving it another year (but not giving any sort of edict or ultimatum). If next season sputters, I hope Pegula once and for all installs someone at the top as Team President. IMO, nothing is salvageable (if this year and next year fail to bring results). The whole program philosophy, direction, and structure will need to be changed. IMO it has needed changing forever. The Bills have never been a good program, other than the blip at about 1988-1993 with a few more seasons sprinkled in to 1999. The organization has 1 playoff win total in the 50 year Superbowl era other than the Kelly era of 1988-1995. The franchise since regressed to its normal state and the new owner failed to make any major changes. I do not want any half-measures. It should be a change at the top level and flow-down. Not the typical Bills musical chairs of kicking 1 middle manager out, say Rex Ryan, laying all the blame on him on his way out, then proclaiming "Year 1" with the same cast of managers. If they made a change this year, that is what we would get. Wait another year so Pegula can be sure, then change the whole thing if necessary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 My two cents on FO changes: Name Whaley President of Football Operations. Promote Monos to GM HC answers to Whaley. If Rex doesn't like it, let Whaley finally hire his own hand-picked HC Roll from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Everything happening now is a direct result of how the Bills (re: Pegula's) assessed and handled the end of the 2014 season. Doug Marrone asked for an extension and was denied, and the Bills incorrectly assumed that this was a team on the cusp of being a playoff team and needed to hire a veteran HC. They overvalued the talent on the team, especially defensively. They did not recognize the need to purge and rebuild a franchise from the top down as was needed, and as many here were calling for during the entire 2014 season. They were offered and encouraged to use consultant help from the NFL in the form of Casserly, Wolf, or Accorsi and said "no, thanks." The Bills now face the prospect of having a very expensive, very average team with a terrible QB making $15 mil per year for the next 2-3 years. It is not completely hopeless, but a complete re-tooling is necessary here. Not to mention the Bills are on the verge of losing a very key defensive piece in Gilmore in favor of keeping Taylor. Very bold decisions are needed here and I doubt our management team is up to the task as their MO has continually been to keep status quo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jms62 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 What has Whaley done that virtually every GM in the league has done (make a few good choices, make a few bad)? We constantly overvalue the personnel on this team because we are fans. Every year it is the same mantra, we have good personnel but it is the coaches fault. Whaley takes Way too many risks and that includes going into this season with our Receiving corps given Sammy's and Goodwin's injury history and our arguably losing our #3 (Hogan) to free agency . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 What has Whaley done that virtually every GM in the league has done (make a few good choices, make a few bad)? We constantly overvalue the personnel on this team because we are fans. Every year it is the same mantra, we have good personnel but it is the coaches fault. Whaley takes Way too many risks and that includes going into this season with our Receiving corps given Sammy's and Goodwin's injury history and our arguably losing our #3 (Hogan) to free agency . He has a team on paper (all that GMs can do) that would be in the playoffs (if not outright win the division) if we were in the AFC South, AFC North, NFC West, or NFC North. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jms62 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 He has a team on paper (all that GMs can do) that would be in the playoffs (if not outright win the division) if we were in the AFC South, AFC North, NFC West, or NFC North. Oh please live in the real world dude. Complete speculation that doesn't even warrant any further discussion. Keep thinking that the same ole front office will somehow get it done. It is always the coaching staff....Why are we so freaking thin at WR given injury history of Sammy, Goodwin and the fact we lost our #3 to free agency... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 (edited) There goes the season folks. You're not angry? What a Bills fan. how do you figure that? go 4-0 and you have a decent chance of getting in. why not 4-0? We've been waiting for the easier part of the schedule and here it is after the bye. Raiders game was the only "probably lose " game. and they had Raiders 24-9 on the road down a bunch of guys... we are 2-1 after the bye with 4 winnable games to finish out. chin up people. no reason why they won't to the same to the Stillers and actually close the deal. win and we're both 7-6. Phins choking and now get a now-good Cardinals team who need a win. We could all three be 7-6 a week from now pretty reasonably. KC gets Raiders Thursday. chin up people. time for some home cookin' Edited December 5, 2016 by 8and8-->NoMore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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