Fire the FO

[gr8billsfan]

We aren't even ok with him.

Stop being a bills fan imo. We'll be ok without you.

Take out the butt-hurt plug. Taking my opinion offensively and bashing a user for sharing it. lol get over yourself.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

When will the riots begin at "new era same bs" stadium? Grab ur pitchforks and potato launchers. Storm the Buffalo Bums stadium and demand the PEGULAS to change the coaching staff. I'm

Not joking. This team is a national disgrace thanks to the PEGULAS keeping status quo. Fire the Ryan's and hire me someone innovative FFS. I'd rather be a Cubs fan and wait another 100 years for a World Series win than watch the Bills commit suicide every year

 

Seriously burning my TT jersey. 31yds 38% accuracy. He's a franchise QB as much as Jp Loserman. The Bills FO doesn't care about the fans period. I'm 23. Spent 17 years of my life watching them do jack ****.

 

Seriously fans we could do better as a collective coach than these Bums who are coaching now.

 

yep at the end of the season, not going to get good replacements at this time of year.

[Tenhigh]

Take out the butt-hurt plug. Taking my opinion offensively and bashing a user for sharing it. lol get over yourself.

You started this P.O.S. thread, own it instead of being a whiney millennial. Kirbys is the only one worth reading here.

[baskingridgebillsfan]

THe pats are far and above the best team in the Afc. The rest of the year the Bills stay in their weight class. Banged up as they are if they wine 5 out of 8 it would be a job well done. 9 wins could get you in . Depends how the west plays out.

[May Day 10]

THe pats are far and above the best team in the Afc. The rest of the year the Bills stay in their weight class. Banged up as they are if they wine 5 out of 8 it would be a job well done. 9 wins could get you in . Depends how the west plays out.

 

 

9 wins would be a decent season, unfortunately, it will likely not be playoff worthy... and would also likely have them at 6-7 and all but out of it for most of December, which would be frustrating

[Nihilarian]

 

Shefter agrees...

 

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 11s12 seconds ago

Cleveland Browns or Buffalo Bills need to hire Theo Epstein.

 

The Bills need a football version of Theo Epstein!

 

What the Cubs did was hire the guy who helped the Boston Red sox win a world championship 2x and he brought that winning experience with him to the Cubs.

 

 

If the new Bills owners want to win and build a franchise that can ever actually compete with the league's best team in the New England Patriots they need to consider hiring one of the current top 10 GM's and promote them to team president of football operations!

 

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/04/ranking-2016-nfl-general-managers

 

• Scot McCloughan, Redskins

• Kevin Colbert, Steelers

• Rick Spielman, Vikings. ...
• Cardinals – Steve Keim. ...
• Panthers – Dave Gettleman. ...
• Ozzie Newsome, Ravens. ...
• John Schneider, Seahawks. ...
• John Elway, Broncos. ...
• Ted Thompson, Packers.
• Bill Belichick, Patriots.

Clearly, Belichick and Elway are already in a position of great power as Bill is the team's HC and GM and Elway is the team's president and he has a long history with Denver as their SB winning QB.

• 2. Ted Thompson, Packers

  Packers fans are spoiled. Despite enjoying years of sustained success building through the draft, Green Bay fans have actually started to complain Thompson doesn’t spend enough money in free agency. How dare he not mortgage the future of the team by frivolously spending on overpriced players who were not good enough to warrant contract extensions from their former team? Signing free agents is like buying snacks at a movie theater. Sure that popcorn is good, but it’s not worth the $10 you paid for it. Why spend the money when you’ve had the success Green Bay has in the draft?

  Under Ted Thompson, #Packers lead NFL with 752 games played by 2nd-round picks. No other team has five Pro Bowlers drafted in 2nd round.

  — Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) April 13, 2016

Best move: Drafting Aaron Rodgers and knowing when to hand the reigns over to him.

Worst move: Drafting Justin Harrell 16th overall in 2007.

[GunnerBill]

I am sorry but that ranking is terrible. Trent Baalke 17th? Really? He has sucked. The Harbaugh team was largely built by McCloughan before his personal problems got the better of him. Ryan Pace 14th? Are they for real? Go look at a Bears board right about now... they want to stick a pitchfork in the bloke. And any list that doesn't have Grigson 32nd is wrong. He might be the worst GM in the history of the NFL. Jerry Reese may have built some good sides years ago but his work the past 4 or 5 years (OBJ apart) has mostly been a let down. He might be a tad higher than I'd have him.

 

The top 10 I will concede is pretty solid (I think Colbert is a bit high... he has missed a LOT on defensive picks and as soon as Big Ben is out that team looks a lot worse). I don't think anyone in that top 10 is coming to Buffalo. When did a GM last genuinely move from GM at one team to GM at another? I don't mean fired and walked straight into another job, I mean resigned from X to take Y? I remember the guy who went from Philly to Cleveland a few years back (name escapes me) but he was only GM in title in Philly - Reid always had final say.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

Actually that is pretty much the same as the Cubs have done for the last 108 years. At a certain point though people just felt sorry for them. Which to a large part is also true in Buffalo except for the people who post on TBD

 

 

I'd rather be a Cubs fan and wait another 100 years for a World Series win than watch the Bills commit suicide every year

[Nihilarian]

I am sorry but that ranking is terrible. Trent Baalke 17th? Really? He has sucked. The Harbaugh team was largely built by McCloughan before his personal problems got the better of him. Ryan Pace 14th? Are they for real? Go look at a Bears board right about now... they want to stick a pitchfork in the bloke. And any list that doesn't have Grigson 32nd is wrong. He might be the worst GM in the history of the NFL. Jerry Reese may have built some good sides years ago but his work the past 4 or 5 years (OBJ apart) has mostly been a let down. He might be a tad higher than I'd have him.

 

The top 10 I will concede is pretty solid (I think Colbert is a bit high... he has missed a LOT on defensive picks and as soon as Big Ben is out that team looks a lot worse). I don't think anyone in that top 10 is coming to Buffalo. When did a GM last genuinely move from GM at one team to GM at another? I don't mean fired and walked straight into another job, I mean resigned from X to take Y? I remember the guy who went from Philly to Cleveland a few years back (name escapes me) but he was only GM in title in Philly - Reid always had final say.

It's why I listed just the top ten.

 

While I don't like what Baalke did with Harbaugh or what he has done recently with the 49ers as I think he got into some sort of power struggle with Harbaugh and won. It certainly doesn't look like he has helped the team very much since Harbaugh left for Michigan.

 

However, Baalke was the 49ers director of player personnel 2008-2009 and then became vice president of player personnel in 2010 and replaced McCloughan as GM in 2011. Baalke was a big part of the influx of talent to that team before Harbaugh and as GM is the man who hires and fires the head coach it was McCloughhan that hired Mike Nolan and Mike Singletary and it was Baalke that hired Jim Harbaugh.

 

 

Anyway, I did recommend the Buffalo Bills hiring Packers GM Ted Thompson who was #2 on that list and promote him to the Buffalo Bills president of football operations!

 

This way he could consider keeping Doug Whaley as GM, who looks to be an excellent judge of defensive players. Thompson would help in the acquisition of an actual franchise QB as is the one who drafted Aaron Rodgers and was about the only person on the planet that believed he could win with him over Brett Favre. Not to mention how good the man is in identifying receiver talent in the second round as mentioned in the note.

 

 

If the new Bills owners want to win and build a franchise that can ever actually compete with the league's best team in the New England Patriots they need to consider hiring one of the current top 10 GM's and promote them to team president of football operations!

 

[GunnerBill]

There is no way Ted Thompson is leaving Green Bay for Buffalo. Not a prayer.

 

McCloughan was the power behind building that San Fran team and Jed York hires the Head Coaches.

[PromoTheRobot]

Epstein needed 5 years to win a World Series. We can't give anyone 5 minutes.

[Kirby Jackson]

If there is an area that needs to be looked at IMO it is the strength and conditioning and medical team. The Bills have consistently had nagging injuries (groin, hamstring, etc..) and can't get guys back on the field. They either have issues with their preparation or their rehab.

 

I haven't done the research but I'd venture to say that the Bills have missed an abnormally high number of games with injuries like that over the last decade. ACL's and contact injuries are one thing but guys popping hamstrings at practice is totally different.

[Formerly Allan in MD]

When will the riots begin at "new era same bs" stadium? Grab ur pitchforks and potato launchers. Storm the Buffalo Bums stadium and demand the PEGULAS to change the coaching staff. I'm

Not joking. This team is a national disgrace thanks to the PEGULAS keeping status quo. Fire the Ryan's and hire me someone innovative FFS. I'd rather be a Cubs fan and wait another 100 years for a World Series win than watch the Bills commit suicide every year

 

Seriously burning my TT jersey. 31yds 38% accuracy. He's a franchise QB as much as Jp Loserman. The Bills FO doesn't care about the fans period. I'm 23. Spent 17 years of my life watching them do jack ****.

 

Seriously fans we could do better as a collective coach than these Bums who are coaching now.

Come off the ledge.

[May Day 10]

If there is an area that needs to be looked at IMO it is the strength and conditioning and medical team. The Bills have consistently had nagging injuries (groin, hamstring, etc..) and can't get guys back on the field. They either have issues with their preparation or their rehab.

 

I haven't done the research but I'd venture to say that the Bills have missed an abnormally high number of games with injuries like that over the last decade. ACL's and contact injuries are one thing but guys popping hamstrings at practice is totally different.

 

They seem to blow through more hamstrings than a Thursday Night slow pitch team

 

 

 

You would think there would be some serious knowledge on how to mitigate the risk of those, especially when we are dealing with 23-30 year old athletes. Playing in the cold certainly doesnt help, but it seems like the time of year isnt correlating to the injuries.

 

 

 

Maybe they need to bring in some people with experience and ideas in the realm of preventing strains and sprains. I don't know much about it, nor who they have in place though.

[ALF]

What People Said and Did to Belichick Prior to Year 2000

After a disappointing loss to Houston, Belichick had to be escorted by police to the post game news conference. Fans chanted "Bill must go!!" - the kindest of their comments that day.

During the conference, "the embattled coach barely could be heard over all the booing outside."

"Extra police were called in, and there was some pushing and shoving to keep fans behind crowd barriers."

Belichick's response: "To quote Buddy Ryan, 'If you listen to the fans, you'll be sitting up there with them.' I've got to do what I think is right, and I've been doing that. I know this team is headed in the right direction."

(Source: USA TODAY, 11/22/1993, Monday, Final Edition, Belichick Pelted by Bernie Boo-birds," by Tom Weir, SPORTS section; p. 3C)

"Somebody told me they're not going to another game as long as Bill Belichick is head coach." He received threats and hate mail.

Belichick has been accused of everything but the collapse of the bond market"..."poor rapport with players. Media unfriendly. Humorless."..."the great uncommunicator."

http://www.character-education.info/resources/BelichickGetsCriticized.htm

Edited November 4, 2016 by ALF

[Kirby Jackson]

 

They seem to blow through more hamstrings than a Thursday Night slow pitch team

 

 

 

You would think there would be some serious knowledge on how to mitigate the risk of those, especially when we are dealing with 23-30 year old athletes. Playing in the cold certainly doesnt help, but it seems like the time of year isnt correlating to the injuries.

 

 

 

Maybe they need to bring in some people with experience and ideas in the realm of preventing strains and sprains. I don't know much about it, nor who they have in place though.

That's how I feel. I am no expert but it seems like a lot of injuries like that. In addition, their injuries linger for so long. Maybe I don't follow everyone else close enough but it feels to me like the Bills have more than most.

[BillsVet]

Theo Epstein won a World Series with the Red Sox a few times before coming to the Cubs.

 

Fans would more than willing to be patient with a guy with credibility like his over any other person the Bills have brought in as GM the past decade.

 

And we are seeing this franchise be patient with Whaley. We've went from below average to mediocre so I guess you can say there has been improvement, but not enough. He will get the rest of this year and next year before he gets the boot if they don't get over the hump.... And that will be 5 years with Whaley as the official GM of the team. More than enough time to build a winner.

 

Teams don't typically remain mediocre to average for 4-5 years. They either get above average or sink into being bad. Amazingly, the Bills have rode the rails of mediocrity/averge for the past 5 years (2011-2015) where they've gone 35-45. They've won between 6 and 9 games for nine out of the past ten seasons.

 

People point to Whaley's drafting/trading/signing some solid players. While's he's made some good additions, the goal is to win games and not build individual positions. Right now, he's not done enough of that to warrant keeping his job.

[Jauronimo]

What makes you think the suggestion to revamp the organization stems from this game solely!?

 

I didn't see any suggestions to revamp or improve. I saw a dimwitted and heavy handed "fire everyone! It couldn't get any worse! I gots perspective since I'm 23 and have watched significantly less losing football than the rest of the board and I'm fed up!".

 

What value do you find in these types of rants? I've read hundreds of these poorly conceived, reasoned, and written knee-jerk diatribes void of nuance or meaningful analysis.

 

It can always get worse. Anyone paying attention for the last 17 years should be intimately familiar with that fact.

[GunnerBill]

Whaley is still above .500 for the period I believe he should be properly judged on (ie. the seasons after off-season in which he had proper and total control as GM). If he is still there after this year he deserves another crack and it will probably mean another year of Rex and Tyrod.

[May Day 10]

 

What People Said and Did to Belichick Prior to Year 2000

After a disappointing loss to Houston, Belichick had to be escorted by police to the post game news conference. Fans chanted "Bill must go!!" - the kindest of their comments that day.

During the conference, "the embattled coach barely could be heard over all the booing outside."

"Extra police were called in, and there was some pushing and shoving to keep fans behind crowd barriers."

Belichick's response: "To quote Buddy Ryan, 'If you listen to the fans, you'll be sitting up there with them.' I've got to do what I think is right, and I've been doing that. I know this team is headed in the right direction."

(Source: USA TODAY, 11/22/1993, Monday, Final Edition, Belichick Pelted by Bernie Boo-birds," by Tom Weir, SPORTS section; p. 3C)

"Somebody told me they're not going to another game as long as Bill Belichick is head coach." He received threats and hate mail.

Belichick has been accused of everything but the collapse of the bond market"..."poor rapport with players. Media unfriendly. Humorless."..."the great uncommunicator."

http://www.character-education.info/resources/BelichickGetsCriticized.htm

 

 

People also did that to Rich Kotite and Ray Handley

Whaley is still above .500 for the period I believe he should be properly judged on (ie. the seasons after off-season in which he had proper and total control as GM). If he is still there after this year he deserves another crack and it will probably mean another year of Rex and Tyrod.

 

I think I am cool with that, as long as there is an unspoken 'mandate' for next season that there NEEDS to be a step forward in the win column