DrDawkinstein Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 https://twitter.com/joereedy/status/791671632238485504 "This is as bad a quarterback class as I can remember." -- Todd McShay I tend to agree. Very much like the 2013 crop. Some athletic QBs, but no great pure passer out of any of them. Yes, that includes Trubisky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Wasn't McShay discredited long ago on TBD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Wasn't McShay discredited long ago on TBD? Ha ha, we all hated him because he said that EJ " had slow eyes." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Ha ha, we all hated him because he said that EJ " had slow eyes." Wasn't he also the one who led the hype train that got Gabbert drafted in the first round? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Said it over the summer. Only kid I thought had legit 1st round talent was Baker Mayfield and he's short with Trump hands. Still not watched much of Trubisky. I hope he's the saviour because De-Sham Watson ain't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 McShay is the worst. Remember when he talked about Jevan Sneed being a 1st round qb and he wasn't even drafted? Probably ruined that dudes's career. This could be a bad class but it's hilarious how wrong people are about qbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Ha ha, we all hated him because he said that EJ " had slow eyes." Probably the best and most accurate description of a prospect I've ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagon Circler Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Kuyper just rated Trubisky as the 15th best prospect in the draft. Lots of games left so watch and make your own judgment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 28, 2016 Author Share Posted October 28, 2016 McShay is the worst. Remember when he talked about Jevan Sneed being a 1st round qb and he wasn't even drafted? Probably ruined that dudes's career. This could be a bad class but it's hilarious how wrong people are about qbs. It's just such a guessing game because of all of the variables that go into their success/failure. I've noted this before, but when people talk about the success that Wentz and Prescott are having, no one seems to realize the coaching situations theyve landed in. Wentz in Philly has Pederson (HC), Reich (OC), and DeFilippo (QB Coach). ALL of them are former QBs, with Pederson being a former Eagle QB who was there to support McNabb in his development. Prescott in Dallas has Garnett (HC), Linehan (OC), and Wilson (QB Coach). Not only are all of them former QBs, but they were all Dallas Cowboy QBs. And they have an established offensive system that has been built and tweaked over the past 5 years. Then look at Goff. Goes into LA with Fisher, a Defensive based coach. And is developing on the same (slow) pace as the QBs we brought in under similar situations. And that is just one small portion of all the variables that go into making or breaking a QBs career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Said it over the summer. Only kid I thought had legit 1st round talent was Baker Mayfield and he's short with Trump hands. Still not watched much of Trubisky. I hope he's the saviour because De-Sham Watson ain't. The Stanford debacle notwithstanding, I'm feeling the potential of your boy Liufau. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 It's just such a guessing game because of all of the variables that go into their success/failure. I've noted this before, but when people talk about the success that Wentz and Prescott are having, no one seems to realize the coaching situations theyve landed in. Wentz in Philly has Pederson (HC), Reich (OC), and DeFilippo (QB Coach). ALL of them are former QBs, with Pederson being a former Eagle QB who was there to support McNabb in his development. Prescott in Dallas has Garnett (HC), Linehan (OC), and Wilson (QB Coach). Not only are all of them former QBs, but they were all Dallas Cowboy QBs. And they have an established offensive system that has been built and tweaked over the past 5 years. Then look at Goff. Goes into LA with Fisher, a Defensive based coach. And is developing on the same (slow) pace as the QBs we brought in under similar situations. And that is just one small portion of all the variables that go into making or breaking a QBs career. I think that is a really good point. I think that the number of games is important as well at the college level. Carson Wentz appeared in 42 games & Dak 49 games. By comparison Gabbert appeared in 31 games. I don't think that necessarily holds true across the board because guys like Tebow and EJ played a lot too. The point is that you can get "experienced guys" up to speed quicker. They also are probably a little older and more mature. That is more of a generalization than any research. That doesn't mean that guys like Cardale aren't going to be good NFL QBs. It just means that it is going to take them longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webster Guy Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Talk about being a tough position to play, the NFL qb has to be the hardest. Of all the aspiring qb's in our country from all the great college programs we have, not a single starting qb came out of the 2013 NFL draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 28, 2016 Author Share Posted October 28, 2016 I think that is a really good point. I think that the number of games is important as well at the college level. Carson Wentz appeared in 42 games & Dak 49 games. By comparison Gabbert appeared in 31 games. I don't think that necessarily holds true across the board because guys like Tebow and EJ played a lot too. The point is that you can get "experienced guys" up to speed quicker. They also are probably a little older and more mature. That is more of a generalization than any research. That doesn't mean that guys like Cardale aren't going to be good NFL QBs. It just means that it is going to take them longer. Part of me still feels that if Tebow had gone somewhere where the coach was "all in" on him and willing to craft the entire offense around him, he could have succeeded. He's not a pure passer, but I think he could get it done in the right system, with the right backing. Same can kinda be said for EJ. I'll always wonder how it would have played out if we could have had a vet bridge the gap for a couple years while EJ sat and learned behind an Offensive minded HC and real OC (not Marrone/Hackett). I'm not trying to hold onto lost causes, just find it interesting for the sake of discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 The Stanford debacle notwithstanding, I'm feeling the potential of your boy Liufau. Given what we're looking for in a backup, he ticks a lot of boxes. Still believe he's the best deep ball passer off play action in the senior class. The question is still durability. Don't want a backup who won't last for a long stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Part of me still feels that if Tebow had gone somewhere where the coach was "all in" on him and willing to craft the entire offense around him, he could have succeeded. He's not a pure passer, but I think he could get it done in the right system, with the right backing. Same can kinda be said for EJ. I'll always wonder how it would have played out if we could have had a vet bridge the gap for a couple years while EJ sat and learned behind an Offensive minded HC and real OC (not Marrone/Hackett). I'm not trying to hold onto lost causes, just find it interesting for the sake of discussion. I've always wondered this!~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 I've always wondered this!~ Does it keep you up at night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 no love for Will Worth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 28, 2016 Author Share Posted October 28, 2016 no love for Will Worth More like Will Worthless. HEY OHHHHHHH!!!! (jk, i dont know anything about him really, but I dont think Navy is putting out many blue chippers) It's just such a guessing game because of all of the variables that go into their success/failure. I've noted this before, but when people talk about the success that Wentz and Prescott are having, no one seems to realize the coaching situations theyve landed in. Wentz in Philly has Pederson (HC), Reich (OC), and DeFilippo (QB Coach). ALL of them are former QBs, with Pederson being a former Eagle QB who was there to support McNabb in his development. Prescott in Dallas has Garnett (HC), Linehan (OC), and Wilson (QB Coach). Not only are all of them former QBs, but they were all Dallas Cowboy QBs. And they have an established offensive system that has been built and tweaked over the past 5 years. Then look at Goff. Goes into LA with Fisher, a Defensive based coach. And is developing on the same (slow) pace as the QBs we brought in under similar situations. And that is just one small portion of all the variables that go into making or breaking a QBs career. I think that is a really good point. I think that the number of games is important as well at the college level. Carson Wentz appeared in 42 games & Dak 49 games. By comparison Gabbert appeared in 31 games. I don't think that necessarily holds true across the board because guys like Tebow and EJ played a lot too. The point is that you can get "experienced guys" up to speed quicker. They also are probably a little older and more mature. That is more of a generalization than any research. That doesn't mean that guys like Cardale aren't going to be good NFL QBs. It just means that it is going to take them longer. And contrast those coaching situations with our staff. Rex (while arguably one of the best defensive minds in the game, is still Defense), our OC is a RB coach (as evidenced by our system), and then we have Lee as QB coach for whatever he is worth. No one we draft or have drafted (C.Jones) is getting the same development they'd get from staffs like Philly, Dallas, Denver, or even Arizona (Arians, Moore, and Kitchens are all former QBs too). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 More like Will Worthless. HEY OHHHHHHH!!!! (jk, i dont know anything about him really, but I dont think Navy is putting out many blue chippers) Weston Steelhammer is a legit safety prospect at Air Force. TROOPS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 28, 2016 Author Share Posted October 28, 2016 Weston Steelhammer is a legit safety prospect at Air Force. TROOPS!!! With a name like that, he should be! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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