Gugny Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 Can't spell reject without an E and a J. Funny. You can't spell sanfu without A-N-U-S, either.
reddogblitz Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_active.htm EJ certainly has not led 3 or 4 comebacks. Ok, 2 then. Carolina and Chicago at Soldier Field. And, before you say it was Fred, EJ completed a 3rd an 10 to Mike Williams the play before that. Hotrod has how many again? How is he on 3rd down late? I'm not saying EJ is better. And, I love Hotrod's big winning margins. Obviously crunch time is his weakness. EJ has had success with this twice. You bring in a specialist at RB on the goal line and a pass rusher on 3rd down. Just because coaches have always done it this way does not necessarily mean it's right. Used to be having the QB in the shotgun was considered a really dumb idea too .
snafu Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 Funny. You can't spell sanfu without A-N-U-S, either. Yep. I've got one of those. Don't you? It was a joke. Lighten up. I like EJ because by all appearances he seems to be a good teammate and a standup guy. Not as a starting or a "relief" quarterback for the Bills. If he needs to play because of injury, then I wish him well. He really hasn't shown an ability to succeed. We shall see where his career goes after this season.
bobobonators Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 Bob: I think the issue is that the things that Taylor does well: turning broken plays into gains, passing outside of the pocket, protecting the ball with conservative throws, and having top end big play ability; aren't conducive to long sustained drives, and that's largely because when Taylor is forced to be a pocket passer, which is typical on ever NFL drive in 2nd and 3rd and long situations, he struggles to convert. The necessary skills for that just aren't in his tool belt. So in games like the Miami game, where the defense is getting warn down, and/or struggling, and the offense needs to keep them off the field, they can't. It's the exact same reason he struggles in late/clutch situations. So it's not so much that what he does well isn't being acknowledged, they are. No one here would dare say that Taylor isn't dangerous with his legs, and doesn't have elite big play ability. It's that the things he does well really don't matter much when the chips are down. Tyrod may well be the very best screwdriver in the world, that doesn't matter one bit when someone needs to drive a nail. Fair enough. Debating is tiresome. At the end of the day TT has started 21 games for us. Not even a season and a half. He has an overall winning record despite our defense sucking bad last yr and out of those 21 games how many have Shady and/or Sammy missed? Half? Go bills.
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 Fair enough. Debating is tiresome. At the end of the day TT has started 21 games for us. Not even a season and a half. He has an overall winning record despite our defense sucking bad last yr and out of those 21 games how many have Shady and/or Sammy missed? Half? Go bills. All teams deal with injuries, and in a salary cap league one side of the ball or another will typically suffer. The Bills aren't unique in those situations. In those 21 games, Taylor has a winning % of 57.1. If we lose to NE that % will drop to 54.5. Do you know how many NFL teams since 2013 have made the playoffs without winning their division with a winning % falling between 57.1 and 54.5? Exactly 1. The 9-7 2013 San Diego Chargers. So, if you think that's "getting it done", we have very different standards.
bmur66 Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 If EJ could get the 3 interceptions etc... out of his system in practice before the game then maybe he could do something in the 4th quarter
bobobonators Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 All teams deal with injuries, and in a salary cap league one side of the ball or another will typically suffer. The Bills aren't unique in those situations. In those 21 games, Taylor has a winning % of 57.1. If we lose to NE that % will drop to 54.5. Do you know how many NFL teams since 2013 have made the playoffs without winning their division with a winning % falling between 57.1 and 54.5? Exactly 1. The 9-7 2013 San Diego Chargers. So, if you think that's "getting it done", we have very different standards. Apparently Im talking to people who are fans of a team that has made the playoffs on a yearly basis and has won divisions every other year. To boo-hoo TT's winning record on the BILLS of all teams is a little silly. Just a little. How many QB's on the Bills have had a winning record over a 21 game stretch in the last two decades? Bledsoe and Flutie? And yes every team has injuries. I get it. Sammy and Shady are not regular players, do you agree? And despite them being injured we still have come out on top more often than not, thats my point.
fridge Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 Apparently Im talking to people who are fans of a team that has made the playoffs on a yearly basis and has won divisions every other year. To boo-hoo TT's winning record on the BILLS of all teams is a little silly. Just a little. How many QB's on the Bills have had a winning record over a 21 game stretch in the last two decades? Bledsoe and Flutie? And yes every team has injuries. I get it. Sammy and Shady are not regular players, do you agree? And despite them being injured we still have come out on top more often than not, thats my point. I'd like to think we're all experts at watching non-playoff teams. Perhaps the Taylor dissent is hitting close to home because you realize that it means we're recognizing yet another disappointment is on the horizon.
bobobonators Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 I'd like to think we're all experts at watching non-playoff teams. Perhaps the Taylor dissent is hitting close to home because you realize that it means we're recognizing yet another disappointment is on the horizon. Hahah. It just comes down to not living in the moment. Before TT is given the opportunity to fail he's failed. He cant take you to the super bowl. How about we clinch a wild card spot first.
r00tabaga Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 Kind of an out of the box idea, but what if we made EJ the closer. Where he comes in at the end of the 4th to pull out games. In his second game he had led a come from behind TD drive against the Panthers and should of had another one against the Falcons. Tyrod can do alot of things, one of them isn't putting the team on his back and pulling out a victory in the 4th, he's not that kind of QB. Interesting ideas. Someday you might see something, somewhere like this. If the Pats* spend zero time prepping for EJ, Bill would need all of about 33 seconds to adjust...lol
fridge Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 Hahah. It just comes down to not living in the moment. Before TT is given the opportunity to fail he's failed. He cant take you to the super bowl. How about we clinch a wild card spot first. In the short term he failed us last season in late games (KC, PHI, NE - to name a few) and this season (BAL, MIA). To pretend that he's not been given the opportunity to fail would tell me that you've not seen many fourth quarters since he's been our QB. If you mean in the long term he hasn't been given the opportunity to fail, then I don't see how that's any different than yanking a second year QB with a 2-2 record.
WotAGuy Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 If been thinking of this as well. Why not try it? What have we got to lose? Other than the game, nothing at all actually. I'm on board!
3rdand12 Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 UC , i see what you mean. There might be a time when traditional QBing gets a kick in the pants. Buffalo is already defying the trends with wildcat and read options with the 2nd QB. Change of pace QB. I like it. I honestly do
K D Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 This might work because then we can blame EJ instead of Tyrod when we lose. He can be the fall guy. But seriously as bad as EJ is he has shown more than Tyrod in crunch time because Tyrod has shown next to nothing
White Linen Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 The notion isn't as silly as some are making it out to be. Manuel has factually let game winning drives and comebacks for the team. Taylor has been terrible at it. With that said, this isn't baseball. I think quarterbacks need time to get into the flow of games to be able to more quickly read what defenses are giving up and what they're not. I can't fathom a situation where you would play a guy up until 5 minutes left in the game and then bring in a new QB to try to win the game when you're down by a score. It's a novel concept none the less. i agree with you. They should be making it out to be much sillier than they already are.
jr1 Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 Enter Sandman starts playing and EJ finishes off the Jags
bobobonators Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 (edited) In the short term he failed us last season in late games (KC, PHI, NE - to name a few) and this season (BAL, MIA). To pretend that he's not been given the opportunity to fail would tell me that you've not seen many fourth quarters since he's been our QB. If you mean in the long term he hasn't been given the opportunity to fail, then I don't see how that's any different than yanking a second year QB with a 2-2 record. The cheifs game he failed us? You mean the game where he threw for 292yds 3tds and had almost another 50yds rushing? You realize he literally accounted for almost our entire offense that game. In KC mind you. But he failed us. Mccoys bad game and fumble didnt hurt us at all. TT lost us that game by himself. Gotcha. Points in quarters 1-3 count the same as points in quarter 4. There isnt a sliding scale to points. Its a total. Which is a perfect segway to players failing us last yr in this thread: EJ manuel single handedly lost us the Jax game last season with his putrid turnover show in the first half. Oh but he almost brought us back. Too bad the crapshow he had in the first half doesnt lose its significance come the 4th Quarter. That was a perfect example of someone losing a game for you. How many games has TT started and gone into the 4th quarter with a lead and we lose? 2 games out of 21. @ KC and @miami last week. 2 games out of 21. Edited October 27, 2016 by bobobonators
mikemac2001 Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 How many of the 21 games have we been leading going into the 4th Then we can figure out tt had the lead going into the 4th 10 times and we lost 2 blah blah blah
TSOL Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 Would be funny if the OP'er edited the "C" out of the thread title
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