PolishDave Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 (edited) As always, I respect your positive outlook. But I don't know why you can't see our lack of a passing attack isn't a major problem. A slightly below average passing attack gets us the Baltimore game where the defense played great. Not going 3 and out repeatedly in the 2nd half keeps the D fresh and probably gets us a W in Miami. The standards are different for Tyrod. He is viewed as a franchise qb. Being second last in passing yards per game is not franchise qb material, no matter how man excuses fans make for him. You are right about that, however, don't forget Rex is a protect-the-ball, run first guy. A Lynn is a ground and pound guy. So don't you think that makes it a little unfair to compare that directly against an NFL full of pass happy offenses? According to ESPN he is not that bad. Not elite. But definitely better than many starters. Edited October 27, 2016 by PolishDave
bobobonators Posted October 27, 2016 Author Posted October 27, 2016 You are right about that, however, don't forget Rex is a protect-the-ball, run first guy. A Lynn is a ground and pound guy. So don't you think that makes it a little unfair to compare that directly against an NFL full of pass happy offenses? Bingo.
The Big Cat Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 No **** the offense deserves blame. They sucked. Big Cats argument seems to be the defense couldn't stop the run because of the offenses inability to stay on the field. It's ludicrous. It's not actually. I'm not sure why you're guessing at my argument when I've been crystal !@#$ing clear about it.
John from Riverside Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 Bingo. first sensable take in this thread for a while
MAJBobby Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 You are right about that, however, don't forget Rex is a protect-the-ball, run first guy. A Lynn is a ground and pound guy. So don't you think that makes it a little unfair to compare that directly against an NFL full of pass happy offenses? According to ESPN he is not that bad. Not elite. But definitely better than many starters. My point though is if this pass game doesnt get better, it is not sustainable. At points in a season you are going to have to win or lose throwing the football
HeHateMe Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 I think the 49ers game is skewing the stats quite a bit. Does anyone think this offense is good? The pass game is the worst in the league. The running game is the only thing keeping this unit barely NFL caliber and even that looked awful vs Miami.
PolishDave Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 (edited) My point though is if this pass game doesnt get better, it is not sustainable. At points in a season you are going to have to win or lose throwing the football No doubt. For the record, not than anyone cares anyway - just sayin - I would much rather prefer a pure pocket passer and a pass happy offense because it is much more exciting to watch. The Bills of the 90s were good because they could score in a matter of seconds. So even when there was five minutes left in the game and you needed 2 scores you still weren't out of it. With this Bills team, you are done in those situations. I blame it more on Rex and his style of football though. And I can't change the fact that Rex is coaching my team. So for the time being I choose to buy into his philosophy and hope he can get us to the big dance using his old school strategy. And I believe it can be done and actually might be done if this fecking team could stay healthy and not have its best players do dumb **** like getting suspended for 1/4 of the season. And I even think (as crazy as it sounds) that this passing inferior QB is "good enough" to get it done in Rex's system. I think he is literally the ideal QB for a Rex style team. If we had the best offensive line in football (which I want but I know I will never get) then this team, with the skill players on it could compete for a championship. This team will only go places if its running game is dominant and the defense plays good enough. I don't know if it will get there in the next year or so. Very unlikely. Here is to hoping. Edited October 27, 2016 by PolishDave
bobobonators Posted October 27, 2016 Author Posted October 27, 2016 I think the 49ers game is skewing the stats quite a bit. Does anyone think this offense is good? The pass game is the worst in the league. The running game is the only thing keeping this unit barely NFL caliber and even that looked awful vs Miami. False. We scored 30+ points vs the Jets, Cardinals, Rams. We went a stretch where we scored 30+ points in 4/5 weeks. Yeh this offense is bad. we have a Pats fan on this board recognizing our offense more than Bills fans. It's sad.
thebandit27 Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 False. We scored 30+ points vs the Jets, Cardinals, Rams. We went a stretch where we scored 30+ points in 4/5 weeks. Yeh this offense is bad. we have a Pats fan on this board recognizing our offense more than Bills fans. It's sad. Just for reference: All 3 of those games included a defensive TD
bobobonators Posted October 27, 2016 Author Posted October 27, 2016 Just for reference: All 3 of those games included a defensive TD For additional reference: when we begin discrediting other teams' points scored to exclude their defensive td's I'll start doing the same. Because when the pats win 35-0 with 3 defensive INT. BRADY IS AWESOME.
John from Riverside Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 Just for reference: All 3 of those games included a defensive TD It should still be included in the team total.
thebandit27 Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 For additional reference: when we begin discrediting other teams' points scored to exclude their defensive td's I'll start doing the same. Because when the pats win 35-0 with 3 defensive INT. BRADY IS AWESOME. Actually, I keep a chart so that I know offensive points scored versus defensive. And just so you know, NE has zero defensive TDs in 2016. Moreover, the point is to add context to the discussion of the team's offensive production. Saying that they routinely put up 30 points and giving the offense credit for that is incorrect.
John from Riverside Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 Actually, I keep a chart so that I know offensive points scored versus defensive. And just so you know, NE has zero defensive TDs in 2016. Moreover, the point is to add context to the discussion of the team's offensive production. Saying that they routinely put up 30 points and giving the offense credit for that is incorrect. I really do hate when people point at New England and try to prepare stats We are not even remotely the same kinds of teams - Their coach is better - They have a 1st ballot HOF'r throwing the football - Because of these things they are afforded to make more mistakes and be less talented in other areas of the team and still win games just wait for you to make a mistake - Our coach is not as good - Our QB is a system qb who is probably a 12-15th in the league kinda guy..... - Our overall talent is better - We must not make mistakes in order to have a chance to win......we cant have key areas of the team have bad games or we wont win (by the way....this makes us just like a lot of other teams in the league which is why we can make the playoffs this way) but comparisons to the pats? God no....can we make comparisons to somebody like Seattle.....or Denver? Someone that our team is actually more comparible to?
MAJBobby Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 It should still be included in the team total. It is but cant give thr offense credit for it
John from Riverside Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 It is but cant give thr offense credit for it Why not.....is our offense not part of the team?
MAJBobby Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 (edited) Why not.....is our offense not part of the team?Because you are talking about offensive scoring in that context. The offense didnt score those points When someone says the offense scored more than 30 points in those games that just is false Edited October 27, 2016 by MAJBobby
thebandit27 Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 I really do hate when people point at New England and try to prepare stats We are not even remotely the same kinds of teams - Their coach is better - They have a 1st ballot HOF'r throwing the football - Because of these things they are afforded to make more mistakes and be less talented in other areas of the team and still win games just wait for you to make a mistake - Our coach is not as good - Our QB is a system qb who is probably a 12-15th in the league kinda guy..... - Our overall talent is better - We must not make mistakes in order to have a chance to win......we cant have key areas of the team have bad games or we wont win (by the way....this makes us just like a lot of other teams in the league which is why we can make the playoffs this way) but comparisons to the pats? God no....can we make comparisons to somebody like Seattle.....or Denver? Someone that our team is actually more comparible to? I didn't make the comparison; I responded to it The Bills have scored the following offensive points in their 7 games: 7 24 26 16 23 45 25 That's 23.7 offensive points per game, which ranks 12th in the league. The question that wrought the response that I quoted was whether or not the SF game skewed the data. For the remaining 6 games, the average is 20.7 offensive points per game, which would rank 23rd. So yes, it does skew the data by a relevant percentage.
John from Riverside Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 Because you are talking about offensive scoring in that context. The offense didnt score those points When someone says the offense scored more than 30 points in those games that just is false Yes that is true....when when w says "the bills scored xxxxx points it should be included" It is just not very often when your talking about final scores or teams point totals that you have to actually make a designation between.....well the D scores this and the O scored that and the Special Teams scored the other? I didn't make the comparison; I responded to it The Bills have scored the following offensive points in their 7 games: 7 24 26 16 23 45 25 That's 23.7 offensive points per game, which ranks 12th in the league. The question that wrought the response that I quoted was whether or not the SF game skewed the data. For the remaining 6 games, the average is 20.7 offensive points per game, which would rank 23rd. So yes, it does skew the data by a relevant percentage. It wasnt really directed at you bandit.....I was just making a observation
MAJBobby Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 Yes that is true....when when w says "the bills scored xxxxx points it should be included" It is just not very often when your talking about final scores or teams point totals that you have to actually make a designation between.....well the D scores this and the O scored that and the Special Teams scored the other? It wasnt really directed at you bandit.....I was just making a observation And I get that. I dont talk typically about scoreboard scores when talking offensive point totals. I use the PPG stat. Same with defense. When talking scoreboard points people fall into that trap
Gugny Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 Actually, I keep a chart so that I know offensive points scored versus defensive. And just so you know, NE has zero defensive TDs in 2016. Moreover, the point is to add context to the discussion of the team's offensive production. Saying that they routinely put up 30 points and giving the offense credit for that is incorrect. Can you please add garbage time to your chart? That would make it even more accurate than it already is.
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