The Big Cat Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 Keep crusading you can marginalize it by using that term all you want. but he's absolutely right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 (edited) Keep crusading And the auto-response when backed into a corner. Thanks Am i soley blaming Tyrod for the loss, no I am not. But unlike some here I will not give him a free pass either, he has blame here Edited October 27, 2016 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 And the auto-response when backed into a corner. Thanks what makes you think your backing ME into a corner.....get over yourself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nervous Guy Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 Man, I thought you dudes kissed and made up the other day....sigh.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 (edited) Man, I thought you dudes kissed and made up the other day....sigh.... I think my delivery is OK. I am not upset, and think we both are being civil, just some jabbing is all LOL I have made it my mission to try and get John to at least say ONE thing Tyrod does wrong is all, failing though and going down in flames, I will give him this is support is like a rock Edited October 27, 2016 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted October 27, 2016 Author Share Posted October 27, 2016 I'm pointing to the drive charts as clear and present evidence that the offense did not do enough to win. It's not total stats, it's a visualization of how the game progressed. Nobody has pointed to anything to show that--in the games Buffalo has lost--Tyrod was good enough. This goes all the way back to last year. I dont disagree with you completely. But lets also be 100% fair in that image you mention. If we want to talk about progression of a game. The Bills strike for a bomb and go up with momentum and hopefully begin to set the wheels in motion for a win. What happened to that momentum the very next possession? The Dolphins drove it down and answered with their own TD. All momentum gone. We even had someone post on this very board saying that the score to Goodwin was too fast. We have to apologize for scoring too fast as well? And why has this entire thread swung back to TT. The thread was about the OFFENSE. A lot of things went wrong with the offense vs Miami besides TT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nervous Guy Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 I think my delivery is OK. I am not upset, and think we both ate being civil, just some jabbing is all LOL I have made it my mission to try and get John to at least say ONE think Tyrod does wrong is all, failing though and going down in flames, I will give him this is support is like a rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 I dont disagree with you completely. But lets also be 100% fair in that image you mention. If we want to talk about progression of a game. The Bills strike for a bomb and go up with momentum and hopefully begin to set the wheels in motion for a win. What happened to that momentum the very next possession? The Dolphins drove it down and answered with their own TD. All momentum gone. We even had someone post on this very board saying that the score to Goodwin was too fast. We have to apologize for scoring too fast as well? And why has this entire thread swung back to TT. The thread was about the OFFENSE. A lot of things went wrong with the offense vs Miami besides TT. No thats really because momentum in sports is not a real thing actually. I agree though the Defense should have manned up and made a stop. However they didnt, so complimentary football, help them out offense, they have you at many points in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 How about the QB that had 6 three and outs out of 7 drives when the game was on the line as a factor Are you referring to the Miami game? Or do you mean in general? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 So the fact that the Bills defense couldn't stop Miami's run game most of the day has nothing to do with the 37 minute time of possession Miami had in that game apparently? According to Bobby it is simply due to the 3 and outs in the Bills second half. Just because of those 3 and outs, the Bills "offense" not "defense" gave up the game winning points. Gotcha? I guess you are right about that. I can't believe I ever called it into question. Forgive me. The 3 and outs were a factor in the game, not the majority factor though. If you can't see that, then there is no hope for you..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 Are you referring to the Miami game? Or do you mean in general? Miami Game. So the fact that the Bills defense couldn't stop Miami's run game most of the day has nothing to do with the 37 minute time of possession Miami had in that game apparently? According to Bobby it is simply due to the 3 and outs in the Bills second half. Just because of those 3 and outs, the Bills "offense" not "defense" gave up the game winning points. Gotcha? I guess you are right about that. I can't believe I ever called it into question. Forgive me. The 3 and outs were a factor in the game, not the majority factor though. If you can't see that, then there is no hope for you..... Did I say that. GO back look I said the defense deserves blame however the offense gets its share too. I swear people only read what they want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted October 27, 2016 Author Share Posted October 27, 2016 OK thats what I thought, just wanted to see if there was another stat site i was not using Yeh they have a bunch of stuff on there. Decent site i think. It almost gets to the point where its information overload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 I dont disagree with you completely. But lets also be 100% fair in that image you mention. If we want to talk about progression of a game. The Bills strike for a bomb and go up with momentum and hopefully begin to set the wheels in motion for a win. What happened to that momentum the very next possession? The Dolphins drove it down and answered with their own TD. All momentum gone. We even had someone post on this very board saying that the score to Goodwin was too fast. We have to apologize for scoring too fast as well? And why has this entire thread swung back to TT. The thread was about the OFFENSE. A lot of things went wrong with the offense vs Miami besides TT. I hear you. But it was a one play drive after the defense had been on the field for five then three plays. It's fair to say going back out for a third possession after the offense had only run seven plays to that point in the half is consistent within this context. I thought the game was over when Goodwin scored. So I won't say that any TD is the wrong play. The above serves only to answer your question. To your latter point, you're right, it's not ALL about TT. I don't know why they went away from the run game. They deserve some measure of critique for that. But saying that offense is run or perish does, then, put the onus back to TT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 So the fact that the Bills defense couldn't stop Miami's run game most of the day has nothing to do with the 37 minute time of possession Miami had in that game apparently? What? NO. According to Bobby it is simply due to the 3 and outs in the Bills second half. Just because of those 3 and outs, the Bills "offense" not "defense" gave up the game winning points. Gotcha? I guess you are right about that. I can't believe I ever called it into question. Forgive me. The 3 and outs were a factor in the game, not the majority factor though. If you can't see that, then there is no hope for you..... Well, again: poor run defense gave up 6 points through 2.5 quarters. What happened in the last 1.5 that changed suddenly? The answer is simple: they were !@#$ing gassed because the offense wasn't ever on the field. Then the wheels came off. In that sense it WAS the majority factor. Until they got gassed they were keeping points off the board. How's that for hope? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 Yeh they have a bunch of stuff on there. Decent site i think. It almost gets to the point where its information overload. Yeah I found it last year, love the site Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 Miami Game. There weren't 6 three and outs in the game, let alone 6 "when the game was on the line." And, 2 of those three and outs there were questionable play calls. Particularly the direct snap to Mike G, where zero OLinemen decide to block. The 3rd and 1 call to Felton is also pretty questionable. Double TE set, bring everyone into the middle of the field and then run up the middle? Stupid. Not trying to defend TT or let him off the hook, he had a horrible 3 and out at the end of the 3rd/start of the 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted October 27, 2016 Author Share Posted October 27, 2016 No thats really because momentum in sports is not a real thing actually. I agree though the Defense should have manned up and made a stop. However they didnt, so complimentary football, help them out offense, they have you at many points in the season. Im not going to debate the scientific/subjecive nature of momentum with you. Fact: when we hit goodwin with that bomb to go ahead my a wider margin that crowd was dead silent. Fact: when miami came back and drove it down the field with a TD the crowd was going nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 There weren't 6 three and outs in the game, let alone 6 "when the game was on the line." And, 2 of those three and outs there were questionable play calls. Particularly the direct snap to Mike G, where zero OLinemen decide to block. The 3rd and 1 call to Felton is also pretty questionable. Double TE set, bring everyone into the middle of the field and then run up the middle? Stupid. Not trying to defend TT or let him off the hook, he had a horrible 3 and out at the end of the 3rd/start of the 4th. Sorry there was 5 three and outs and one 6 and out, when the game was still tight and in question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 4 game streak says different As always, I respect your positive outlook. But I don't know why you can't see our lack of a passing attack isn't a major problem. A slightly below average passing attack gets us the Baltimore game where the defense played great. Not going 3 and out repeatedly in the 2nd half keeps the D fresh and probably gets us a W in Miami. The standards are different for Tyrod. He is viewed as a franchise qb. Being second last in passing yards per game is not franchise qb material, no matter how man excuses fans make for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 (edited) Im not going to debate the scientific/subjecive nature of momentum with you. Fact: when we hit goodwin with that bomb to go ahead my a wider margin that crowd was dead silent. Fact: when miami came back and drove it down the field with a TD the crowd was going nuts. I know this I get it. I like bust chops though on momentum, I do it with anyone that mentions that word in reference to sports with me, because it is fund trying them to define to me how it is measurable and such. Because to me that is an announcer and coach thing. Well get got the momentum lets get this. Really coach what is momentum for us. Edited October 27, 2016 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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