Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 25, 2016 Posted October 25, 2016 Might be easier to get in the running if we weren't already down a 4th rounder. We do have 2 5th's though. And we'll likely get a comp pick for bradham.
MAJBobby Posted October 25, 2016 Posted October 25, 2016 (edited) You do it because you're scrapping to get into the playoffs after a 16-year drought and aren't worrying about the magical "next year" because at this point you realize it's a mirage. The Bills have a shot this season. Do you think the Indians regret trading the farm for Andrew Miller? No they really don't have a shot. But keep thinking they are in the hunt. The AFC record is going to kill us, and we will need to get to 11 wins because we will lose tiebreakers Edited October 25, 2016 by MAJBobby
dave mcbride Posted October 25, 2016 Posted October 25, 2016 Ok first to say he will see Robert Woods Targets is not accurate because Woods can and does run the entire Route Tree. SO now looking at Smith, he is gonna run the 9s. (got toss out his other route the Deep Post because Taylor doesn't throw that route). We essentially throw 2 or 3 of them a game NOW without some WR that people want to trade for. We threw 3 against MIA and guess what it didn't change anything on their defense, WHY because they didn't respect any other part of Taylors game. Smith badly beat Darby in the SF game but was overthrown. He should have had two long TDs.
MAJBobby Posted October 25, 2016 Posted October 25, 2016 Smith badly beat Darby in the SF game but was overthrown. He should have had two long TDs. Again on a 9 (actually it was a deep post). He has 2 routes. Taylor doesn't throw one of them, so you will give up assets for a 1 route player. When we have WRs now that run that route effectively and it still didn't open anything up
dave mcbride Posted October 25, 2016 Posted October 25, 2016 No they really don't have a shot. But keep thinking they are in the hunt They actually do, and while I wouldn't say it's likely, it's safe to say it's a 4-60 proposition assuming 10-6 gets them in. I mean, what the hell are you "planning" for at this point? Next year? Newsflash - the Bills will finish with too good of a record to land a top-shelf QB in round 1, and it'll likely be more of the same next season given that there probably won't be a better option out there than Taylor. It's hard for many to accept, but it's true. Just look at the 2017 FA market.
MAJBobby Posted October 25, 2016 Posted October 25, 2016 They actually do, and while I wouldn't say it's likely, it's safe to say it's a 4-60 proposition assuming 10-6 gets them in. I mean, what the hell are you "planning" for at this point? Next year? Newsflash - the Bills will finish with too good of a record to land a top-shelf QB in round 1, and it'll likely be more of the same next season given that there probably won't be a better option out there than Taylor. It's hard for many to accept, but it's true. Just look at the 2017 FA market. Again look at the AFC record, I get it you will see come December you are really going to see they will need to get to 11 wins, because the AFC record is going to kill them in tie-breakers
dave mcbride Posted October 25, 2016 Posted October 25, 2016 Again on a 9 (actually it was a deep post). He has 2 routes. Taylor doesn't throw one of them, so you will give up assets for a 1 route player. When we have WRs now that run that route effectively and it still didn't open anything up Here's the bottom line: Torrey Smith is far better than what they have right now, and I doubt Woods will be 100 percent for a while. Who knows if Watkins comes back. It's incumbent on a team to freakin' try when they're 4-3. You don't throw in the towel at this point. That's horrible management. If there's a better option out there than Smith, I'm all ears. I certainly don't see the Bills getting Jeffrey.
MAJBobby Posted October 25, 2016 Posted October 25, 2016 (edited) Here's the bottom line: Torrey Smith is far better than what they have right now, and I doubt Woods will be 100 percent for a while. Who knows if Watkins comes back. It's incumbent on a team to freakin' try when they're 4-3. You don't throw in the towel at this point. That's horrible management. If there's a better option out there than Smith, I'm all ears. I certainly don't see the Bills getting Jeffrey. And you say this why? Because you know his name and he had one good year 3 years ago? Did you see the All-22. Bills WRs (even the no names) are getting open. So again if the current crop is getting open why are you spending assets on Smith? Does he give you more wins. No Edited October 25, 2016 by MAJBobby
dave mcbride Posted October 25, 2016 Posted October 25, 2016 Again look at the AFC record, I get it you will see come December you are really going to see they will need to get to 11 wins, because the AFC record is going to kill them in tie-breakers I said this yesterday, and it's why I said it's 40-60 that they make it. The interesting wildcard is SD, which is good enough to win most of their games against their AFC west rivals. You could see 2 9-7 teams among Denver/KC/Oakland. If the Bills beat Cincy and Pitt and the Ravens continue their decline, they have a solid chance.
Coach Tuesday Posted October 25, 2016 Posted October 25, 2016 Here's the bottom line: Torrey Smith is far better than what they have right now, and I doubt Woods will be 100 percent for a while. Who knows if Watkins comes back. It's incumbent on a team to freakin' try when they're 4-3. You don't throw in the towel at this point. That's horrible management. If there's a better option out there than Smith, I'm all ears. I certainly don't see the Bills getting Jeffrey. I'll keep saying it: take a shot at Kendall Wright.
quinnearlysghost88 Posted October 25, 2016 Posted October 25, 2016 Doug's pitch to Torrey: How would you like to play in sub-freezing temperatures losing to bad teams that the HQ provokes the entire week, while we fire coordinators and lose stars to injury in an attempt to secure a December 'in the hunt' designation and an 8-8 record?
MAJBobby Posted October 25, 2016 Posted October 25, 2016 I'll keep saying it: take a shot at Kendall Wright. Now this is a WR I can actually get on board with because he fits this teams system. Blocks well, good crisp shorter routes.
dave mcbride Posted October 25, 2016 Posted October 25, 2016 And you say this why? Because you know his name and he had one good year 3 years ago? Did you see the All-22. Bills WRs (even the no names) are getting open. So again if the current crop is getting open why are you spending assets on Smith? Does he give you more wins. No Try to refrain from insults (i.e., that I don't watch games). The Bills receiving corps STINKS right now. Miami played 8 in the box most of the game because they didn't fear anyone but Goodwin, and now he's hurt. Torrey Smith has produced at a far higher level than any of them and right now is saddled with the worst QB unit in the league (i.e., http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitTo02.htm). Is he Julio Jones? No, he's not, but he's better than Justin Turner. AndJulio ain't on the block.
Coach Tuesday Posted October 25, 2016 Posted October 25, 2016 Now this is a WR I can actually get on board with because he fits this teams system. Blocks well, good crisp shorter routes. He'd be perfect for the offense they're running.
MAJBobby Posted October 25, 2016 Posted October 25, 2016 Try to refrain from insults (i.e., that I don't watch games). The Bills receiving corps STINKS right now. Miami played 8 in the box most of the game because they didn't fear anyone but Goodwin, and now he's hurt. Torrey Smith has produced at a far higher level than any of them and right now is saddled with the worst QB unit in the league (i.e., http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitTo02.htm). Is he Julio Jones? No, he's not, but he's better than Justin Turner. AndJulio ain't on the block. I never once said you didn't watch games did I. I said did you see the All-22 because that is where you can tell if WRs are open, not the TV broadcast. When out WRs are open and the QB cant, wont, throw them the ball is that the WR fault (they are not good enough and needs to be replaced) or the QBs fault?
dave mcbride Posted October 25, 2016 Posted October 25, 2016 I'll keep saying it: take a shot at Kendall Wright. Wright is 5'10 and in my humble opinion another Woods-type player. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WrigKe01.htm. The Bills need to stretch the field, and despite what MajBobby says, the numbers say that Torrey Smith has done this throughout his entire career. Smith is only 27 too.
Chuck Wagon Posted October 25, 2016 Posted October 25, 2016 I said this yesterday, and it's why I said it's 40-60 that they make it. The interesting wildcard is SD, which is good enough to win most of their games against their AFC west rivals. You could see 2 9-7 teams among Denver/KC/Oakland. If the Bills beat Cincy and Pitt and the Ravens continue their decline, they have a solid chance. Bosa has been a game changer for the Chargers. They have Denver (who they already beat) this week, then go: Titans Dolphins @ Texans Buccaneers @ Panthers Raiders @ Browns Chiefs The desert might have them favored in all of those games, they are certainly good enough to go 6-2 or even better against that schedule. I'm not sure how we can go 6-3 to close the year, I think those Ravens & Jets losses are really going to bite us.
MAJBobby Posted October 25, 2016 Posted October 25, 2016 He'd be perfect for the offense they're running. And you trade for contracts not players, he is in the last year of his deal so unlike Smith you are not saddled hit I high cap hit next year. Allows you to evaluate rest of season and see if you want to re-sign. Also gives you 2 WRs, Wirght and Woods to play of against eachother in those negotiations
dave mcbride Posted October 25, 2016 Posted October 25, 2016 (edited) I never once said you didn't watch games did I. I said did you see the All-22 because that is where you can tell if WRs are open, not the TV broadcast. When out WRs are open and the QB cant, wont, throw them the ball is that the WR fault (they are not good enough and needs to be replaced) or the QBs fault? Being open on the all-22 isn't really my point. My point is that if Miami is typical, than most defenses rightly assume that our WR corps stinks and therefore they can key on the run. They didn't operate like that when a healthy Watkins (or even Woods!) is out there. Unfortunately for the Bills, both of those guys are hurt. Edited October 25, 2016 by dave mcbride
MAJBobby Posted October 25, 2016 Posted October 25, 2016 Wright is 5'10 and in my humble opinion another Woods-type player. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WrigKe01.htm. The Bills need to stretch the field, and despite what MajBobby says, the numbers say that Torrey Smith has done this throughout his entire career. Smith is only 27 too. Woods type of player is what we need. We have the deep threat. we have a roster full of them. With Woods out we don't have a WR that runs great routes, blocks and creates separation on breaks. Being open on the all-22 isn't really my point. My point is that if Miami is typical, than most defenses rightly assume that our WR corps stinks and therefore they can key on the run. They didn't operate like that when a healthy Watkins (or even Woods!) is out there. Ok so now being open doesn't matter. Isnt that the POINT of a WR be open catch the Ball. Well they got the open part down, now if a QB would just throw them the football, maybe Taylor can get the 8 and 9 out of a Box. It has nothing to do with respecting our WRs, Defenses don't RESPECT our QB, he doesn't scare them with his arm
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