Torrey Smith on the block

[Kirby Jackson]

 

 

Throw in Fitz and his 30 TD's and that's probably 4-6 better options. Point is that GM's aren't judged by being able to determine who was better several years ago but rather who will be better in the upcoming season.

 

I was on the Tyrod bandwagon quite early on. Someone else was too, perhaps Kirby. But admittedly it was because I felt that Cassell was a straight-up tomato can acquisition.

I was on the bandwagon based on the unknown. The two VT guys here were driving it quite early on. IMO, if my options are EJ or Cassel give me door #3 & I will take my chances that it's better. That has certainly proven true regardless of where people stand on Tyrod. There is no case that can be made that the Bills made the wrong choice.

[NoSaint]

This was not possible unless the Bills and Dolphins wanted to expose themselves to charges of tampering. Harris was re-signed before the allowed 48 hour window for agents to contact teams prior to the official opening of the free agency period.

 

Harris was never more than a rumor for the Bills. To say we were in on him is pure conjecture.

its obviously conjecture.... but i would think its reasonable to say that teams and agents are talking outside the rules.

 

theres almost no way to police it, and minimal consequence. it obviously happens, even if we dont know if it happened here.

[BADOLBILZ]

My schtick is never say anything? That's rich. Explain that to my wife.

 

And no that wasn't the question. But true to YOUR schtick which you've already been called out for in the thread, you posited something that never happened, ran with it, and drew a bunch of wild conclusions which you treated like absolutes.

 

Speaking of schticks, didn't hear much from you during the month Shady dominated.

 

Anyways, here's something I'll say, the question was what evidence is there that--as you asserted--both Browns are likely to let walk and create holes and needs.

 

You said Jabari Greer. That **** was hilarious.

 

Then you asked what evidence is there they won't be let go.

 

That's a fair question, but to anyone who's been paying attention since DW took over it's a little odd, since the answers are obvious. Aquisitons or retentions or restructures which he's been responsible for since taking over which have not required finding replacements and have enabled signing other non hole creating players:

 

Dareus, KW, Clay, NRC, AW, TT, Glenn, Incognito, Wood, Hughes

 

All more relevant than Jabari !@#$ing Greer.

 

Now this is also all to satisfy your tangential premise that PB SHOULD be kept. I'm not even of the mind that he needs to be and that his departure wouldn't be as calamitous as your need for it to be would.

 

Jabari Greer was a very good player your dismissal of him shows how little you follow the rest of the league. He was becoming a very good corner in Buffalo but became an excellent one in NOLA while the Bills struggled mightily with Leodis. Greer's footwork was unreal......some of the clips of his coverage would make great gifs, it looked like he was dancing with receivers at times. And to further dismiss your point......he was found by one GM and permitted to leave by another.

 

Regarding PB......I don't consider him special......it's an opportunity cost situation. They used a 3rd on PB......then two years later use a 2nd and two 4ths on his successor.........all at a position they could have filled for cheap in FA. It's about the opportunities they are losing in the process.

 

Oh and by the way I was present plenty in the Shady doubters must repent thread. The last thing I said was it was a long season then there was a popping sound. I'm not gloating that he re-injured his hamstring, I wanted him to have a great year but the odds of him recapturing his 2013 form for a whole season at his age/mileage were not great and some here felt it was a given. Hopefully he gets back, the Dolphins crashed the run hard Sunday but he looked very injured.

Edited October 26, 2016 by #BADOL

[BADOLBILZ]

its obviously conjecture.... but i would think its reasonable to say that teams and agents are talking outside the rules.

 

theres almost no way to police it, and minimal consequence. it obviously happens, even if we dont know if it happened here.

 

 

There is no way to keep an agent from talking to a GM. It's really not even the least bit complicated whatsoever to circumvent tampering rules. The Jets overpaid Harris by $1M-$2M per because they knew they had to. And AGAIN, I didn't want them to sign Harris I just made the point that if the player(Preston) was the reason for the problems then they had no excuse because they could have filled the role with the maestro of his D........just as he did when he brought Bart Scott to NY.

[Maury Ballstein]

Preston Brown is terrible.

Kdiggz gonna Kdiggz. Watch a game sometime.

[The Big Cat]

 

Jabari Greer was a very good player your dismissal of him shows how little you follow the rest of the league. He was becoming a very good corner in Buffalo but became an excellent one in NOLA while the Bills struggled mightily with Leodis. Greer's footwork was unreal......some of the clips of his coverage would make great gifs, it looked like he was dancing with receivers at times. And to further dismiss your point......he was found by one GM and permitted to leave by another.

 

Regarding PB......I don't consider him special......it's an opportunity cost situation. They used a 3rd on PB......then two years later use a 2nd and two 4ths on his successor.........all at a position they could have filled for cheap in FA. It's about the opportunities they are losing in the process.

 

Oh and by the way I was present plenty in the Shady doubters must repent thread. The last thing I said was it was a long season then there was a popping sound. I'm not gloating that he re-injured his hamstring, I wanted him to have a great year but the odds of him recapturing his 2013 form for a whole season at his age/mileage were not great and some here felt it was a given. Hopefully he gets back, the Dolphins crashed the run hard Sunday but he looked very injured.

 

The fact that you keep harping on Jabari Greer means you're woefully incapable of understanding reality on its own terms.

 

I'm fully aware of what Greer did after the Bills. He did it seven years ago. The activity of the FO in those days has NOTHING to do with what's happened in the last three years. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

[John from Riverside]

Preston Brown is terrible. If they are smart they will re-sign Zach and Ragland will play Preston's spot

Kdiggz.....that may well happen...but its not because Preston isnt playing well cuz he is

 

Our LB core as a whole has been playing outstanding.

[K D]

Kdiggz.....that may well happen...but its not because Preston isnt playing well cuz he is

 

Our LB core as a whole has been playing outstanding.

John watch Preston on the all 22 if you get a chance. He picks the wrong hole or gets blown up and crumbles like a house of cards and is slow in his pursuit. Zach might make a mistake or get blocked but has great closing speed. Preston's stats are artificially inflated in Rex's defense where all plays are funneled to the LB. Zach is having his best year as a result. Preston is not because he's not very good unfortunately. Needs to fill the hole better instead of absorbing the block and being taken out of the play. I think Ragland in that position would be an upgrade and we can all see how well Zach is playing

Kdiggz gonna Kdiggz. Watch a game sometime.

My assessment was a little harsh. Let's just say he's below avg and Ragland would be an upgrade. More athletic and tenacious taking on and shedding blocks

[GG]

 

 

Throw in Fitz and his 30 TD's and that's probably 4-6 better options. Point is that GM's aren't judged by being able to determine who was better several years ago but rather who will be better in the upcoming season.

 

I was on the Tyrod bandwagon quite early on. Someone else was too, perhaps Kirby. But admittedly it was because I felt that Cassell was a straight-up tomato can acquisition.

 

Fitz falls into the category of a fantasy pick, who wasn't truly available to Bills at the time. May as well speculate how the Bills missed trading for Rodgers. It was highly doubtful Bills were going to trade to get Fitz back considering how he departed.

[BADOLBILZ]

 

The fact that you keep harping on Jabari Greer means you're woefully incapable of understanding reality on its own terms.

 

I'm fully aware of what Greer did after the Bills. He did it seven years ago. The activity of the FO in those days has NOTHING to do with what's happened in the last three years. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

 

 

I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you are willfully missing the point.

 

How you use your early draft picks matters..

 

So if they DO keep both Browns.......having an ILB you traded a second and two fourths for ON THE BENCH........and weaknesses at a number of tougher to fill positions.......doesn't reflect well utilized draft picks either.

[K-9]

If they keep both Browns, one of them won't be starting next year, unless they decide to put Z Brown back on the edge where he started his career for whatever reason.

[John from Riverside]

If they keep both Browns, one of them won't be starting next year, unless they decide to put Z Brown back on the edge where he started his career for whatever reason.

And from what I understand he was not particularly good there

[BADOLBILZ]

 

Fitz falls into the category of a fantasy pick, who wasn't truly available to Bills at the time. May as well speculate how the Bills missed trading for Rodgers. It was highly doubtful Bills were going to trade to get Fitz back considering how he departed.

 

 

You guys are so tiresome with your excuses. Buddy Nix and Doug Marrone were long gone. In any event, my point was that there were better options than Cassel and there were.

[K-9]

And from what I understand he was not particularly good there

He was actually very good there his first two seasons. His last two, marred by an injury in 2014 were a complete 180 though.

[26CornerBlitz]

PFF: Five NFL trades we’d like to see

 

3. 49ers WR Torrey Smith to the Buffalo Bills

It’s no secret that pretty much everybody on the 49ers’ roster that wasn’t drafted in the first round over the past two seasons is available to any team that comes calling. Torrey Smith may not be an elite receiver, but he can be a productive one on a team that can get him the ball, especially deep. Buffalo lost a big weapon when Sammy Watkins went down hurt, and Smith would go a long way towards giving the Bills some of that deep weaponry back. Smith’s average depth of target this season is 15.6 yards downfield, but he has caught just 43.3 percent of the balls thrown his way because of disastrous San Francisco QB play.

 

Tyrod Taylor throws one of the league’s best deep balls, and the pair could form a potent deep-strike partnership that would give Buffalo’s offense some of its swag back.

[Virgil]

PFF: Five NFL trades wed like to see

3. 49ers WR Torrey Smith to the Buffalo Bills

Its no secret that pretty much everybody on the 49ers roster that wasnt drafted in the first round over the past two seasons is available to any team that comes calling. Torrey Smith may not be an elite receiver, but he can be a productive one on a team that can get him the ball, especially deep. Buffalo lost a big weapon when Sammy Watkins went down hurt, and Smith would go a long way towards giving the Bills some of that deep weaponry back. Smiths average depth of target this season is 15.6 yards downfield, but he has caught just 43.3 percent of the balls thrown his way because of disastrous San Francisco QB play.

 

Tyrod Taylor throws one of the leagues best deep balls, and the pair could form a potent deep-strike partnership that would give Buffalos offense some of its swag back.

It makes sense and even the media sees it.

 

This means we definitely won't do it

[dave mcbride]

PFF: Five NFL trades we’d like to see

 

 

3. 49ers WR Torrey Smith to the Buffalo Bills

It’s no secret that pretty much everybody on the 49ers’ roster that wasn’t drafted in the first round over the past two seasons is available to any team that comes calling. Torrey Smith may not be an elite receiver, but he can be a productive one on a team that can get him the ball, especially deep. Buffalo lost a big weapon when Sammy Watkins went down hurt, and Smith would go a long way towards giving the Bills some of that deep weaponry back. Smith’s average depth of target this season is 15.6 yards downfield, but he has caught just 43.3 percent of the balls thrown his way because of disastrous San Francisco QB play.

 

Tyrod Taylor throws one of the league’s best deep balls, and the pair could form a potent deep-strike partnership that would give Buffalo’s offense some of its swag back.

Obviously given my posts above, I agree with this.

[Doc]

I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you are willfully missing the point.

 

How you use your early draft picks matters..

 

So if they DO keep both Browns.......having an ILB you traded a second and two fourths for ON THE BENCH........and weaknesses at a number of tougher to fill positions.......doesn't reflect well utilized draft picks either.

 

Preston Brown is under contract through 2017 so he'll still be here. I hope they re-sign Zach Brown. And if Ragland returns next year as expected, he'll start and Preston will backup.

 

PFF: Five NFL trades we’d like to see

 

3. 49ers WR Torrey Smith to the Buffalo Bills

It’s no secret that pretty much everybody on the 49ers’ roster that wasn’t drafted in the first round over the past two seasons is available to any team that comes calling. Torrey Smith may not be an elite receiver, but he can be a productive one on a team that can get him the ball, especially deep. Buffalo lost a big weapon when Sammy Watkins went down hurt, and Smith would go a long way towards giving the Bills some of that deep weaponry back. Smith’s average depth of target this season is 15.6 yards downfield, but he has caught just 43.3 percent of the balls thrown his way because of disastrous San Francisco QB play.

 

Tyrod Taylor throws one of the league’s best deep balls, and the pair could form a potent deep-strike partnership that would give Buffalo’s offense some of its swag back.

 

For $8M/year plus the draft pick, you want more than merely a "productive" receiver. And a 1-year rental isn't worth it.

[What a Tuel]

 

Preston Brown is under contract through 2017 so he'll still be here. I hope they re-sign Zach Brown. And if Ragland returns next year as expected, he'll start and Preston will backup.

 

 

For $8M/year plus the draft pick, you want more than merely a "productive" receiver. And a 1-year rental isn't worth it.

 

I assume they would try to redo his deal when he got here. He is only 27, and may end up being better than advertised. But the bottom line is are we really saying no to a WR to save money? Why do we care? It's not going to put us in cap hell.

[Doc]

I assume they would try to redo his deal when he got here. He is only 27, and may end up being better than advertised. But the bottom line is are we really saying no to a WR to save money? Why do we care? It's not going to put us in cap hell.

 

Redoing his deal means giving him more money in a bonus. No thanks.