Mr. WEO Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 What a question. Gotta clap it up for this shark jump. Bravo. You just called it "garbage time" earlier. If that were the case, Russell Wilson would never have a need for 4th quarter comebacks. Yet somehow, he's always at the top of the league. How many times did the Seattle D squander a second half 2 score lead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 (edited) You just called it "garbage time" earlier.It's garbage time right now. What did you drink today ? "Clutch" and "garbage time" aren't related at all. Kudos on the score while down two scores with 19 seconds left. You have a point deep down somewhere l guess. Edited October 24, 2016 by Ryan L Billz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 (edited) It's garbage time right now. What did you drink today ? "Clutch" and "garbage time" aren't related at all. Kudos on the score while down two scores with 19 seconds left. You have a point deep down somewhere l guess. With over just 5 min left in the 3rd Q and up by 11 (that's UP by two scores, for you), the Bills D allowed 21 points. If they could have forced more than a single punt for the rest of the game, we wouldn't be having this conversation--the "point" is right there. Edited October 24, 2016 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB Bills Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 With over just 5 min left in the 3rd Q and up by 11 (that's UP by two scores, for you), the Bills D allowed 21 points. If they could have forced more than a single punt for the rest of the game, we wouldn't be having this conversation--the "point" is right there. I think you're missing the point. The OP's question is whether Taylor is a clutch QB. Not whether he should have had to have been one today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 There are many things to like about the kid, and he clearly is not a horrible QB who will cost you games. But it's also clear that he is not a QB who will win games for you. All aspects of the team have to line up ideally for him to come away with a W. In a league of parity though, usually the QB separates the winners from losers and there are always a handful of games where the QB needs to put the team on his back and will them to victory. Somebody shared a tweet after last week's game that said it was the first time as a Bills that he won a game they trailed in. That wasn't technically correct, as the first was the Titans game last year. That game also counts as the only fourth quarter comeback that TT engineered, although it doesn't qualify for Pro Football Reference comebacks because Bills scored early in the quarter. So, I looked at TT's series with Bills down by one score or less with 2-4 minutes to go in the game (so hardly desperation time). Here are the sad results: NE1 - 0 FD - 0 Yds - 1 INT NE2 - 2 FD - 32 Yds KC - 1 FD - 19 Yds Phi - 0 FD - -2 Yds - 1 INT Balt - 0 FD - -8 Yds Miami - 0 FD - 0 Yds Six opportunities, zero clutch drives. Not good. 😔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 john Do you read posts before responding? This is over six different games over his entire Buffalo career, with most having the full complement of WRs and RBs lovers going to love Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 With over just 5 min left in the 3rd Q and up by 11 (that's UP by two scores, for you), the Bills D allowed 21 points. If they could have forced more than a single punt for the rest of the game, we wouldn't be having this conversation--the "point" is right there. The old "Up 11 with 5 mins left in 3rd qtr theorem" Got it. Falcons shoulda used that today, the Chargers week in and week out too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 The old "Up 11 with 5 mins left in 3rd qtr theorem" Got it. Falcons shoulda used that today, the Chargers week in and week out too. When the team is up with under 8 minutes left in the game and the D lays down for 14 points, why blame the QB for only getting 8 of those points back? The Bills are 6th in the league in points scored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhDozeBills Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 TT is who he is. Don't expect him to get much better or much worse. He makes some incredible plays every once in awhile but is not sure worth the big money. Just like the Bills to lose out on Dak Prescott by a few picks. Let the QB carousel continue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtDart Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 (edited) There are many things to like about the kid, and he clearly is not a horrible QB who will cost you games. But it's also clear that he is not a QB who will win games for you. All aspects of the team have to line up ideally for him to come away with a W. In a league of parity though, usually the QB separates the winners from losers and there are always a handful of games where the QB needs to put the team on his back and will them to victory. Somebody shared a tweet after last week's game that said it was the first time as a Bills that he won a game they trailed in. That wasn't technically correct, as the first was the Titans game last year. That game also counts as the only fourth quarter comeback that TT engineered, although it doesn't qualify for Pro Football Reference comebacks because Bills scored early in the quarter. So, I looked at TT's series with Bills down by one score or less with 2-4 minutes to go in the game (so hardly desperation time). Here are the sad results: NE1 - 0 FD - 0 Yds - 1 INT NE2 - 2 FD - 32 Yds KC - 1 FD - 19 Yds Phi - 0 FD - -2 Yds - 1 INT Balt - 0 FD - -8 Yds Miami - 0 FD - 0 Yds Six opportunities, zero clutch drives. There are many things to like about the kid, and he clearly is not a horrible QB who will cost you games. But it's also clear that he is not a QB who will win games for you. All aspects of the team have to line up ideally for him to come away with a W. In a league of parity though, usually the QB separates the winners from losers and there are always a handful of games where the QB needs to put the team on his back and will them to victory. Somebody shared a tweet after last week's game that said it was the first time as a Bills that he won a game they trailed in. That wasn't technically correct, as the first was the Titans game last year. That game also counts as the only fourth quarter comeback that TT engineered, although it doesn't qualify for Pro Football Reference comebacks because Bills scored early in the quarter. So, I looked at TT's series with Bills down by one score or less with 2-4 minutes to go in the game (so hardly desperation time). Here are the sad results: NE1 - 0 FD - 0 Yds - 1 INT NE2 - 2 FD - 32 Yds KC - 1 FD - 19 Yds Phi - 0 FD - -2 Yds - 1 INT Balt - 0 FD - -8 Yds Miami - 0 FD - 0 Yds Six opportunities, zero clutch drives. What I have been saying for two years. Won't cost you games, but cannot put the team on his shoulders and win one either. Good stop gap, but not worth the contract. Edited October 24, 2016 by DirtDart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 I still say EJ is better in the hurry up and 2 minute drill than Tyrod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtDart Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 I still say EJ is better in the hurry up and 2 minute drill than Tyrod. I still say EJ could have been a better QB if he were given the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
re enlightener Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 I still say EJ could have been a better QB if he were given the time. well no, this is a crap statement, tyrod cant handle a D thats about to close out a team in the last 2 min, but ej cant handle the whole game period, and he had enough starts to see the obvious, or do you still think trent edwards just needed a better line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtDart Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 (edited) well no, this is a crap statement, tyrod cant handle a D thats about to close out a team in the last 2 min, but ej cant handle the whole game period, and he had enough starts to see the obvious, or do you still think trent edwards just needed a better line? Lol......too funny. Edited October 24, 2016 by DirtDart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 With over just 5 min left in the 3rd Q and up by 11 (that's UP by two scores, for you), the Bills D allowed 21 points. If they could have forced more than a single punt for the rest of the game, we wouldn't be having this conversation--the "point" is right there. So, we basically should turn this thread into a Dareus thread, since he was obviously the missing piece. You can't discount the loss of AWill either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 He has yet to take a team that is down in the 4th and win the game With over just 5 min left in the 3rd Q and up by 11 (that's UP by two scores, for you), the Bills D allowed 21 points. If they could have forced more than a single punt for the rest of the game, we wouldn't be having this conversation--the "point" is right there. And if the Offense actually got a decent drive instead of 3 and outs until game was over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 There are many things to like about the kid, and he clearly is not a horrible QB who will cost you games. But it's also clear that he is not a QB who will win games for you. All aspects of the team have to line up ideally for him to come away with a W. In a league of parity though, usually the QB separates the winners from losers and there are always a handful of games where the QB needs to put the team on his back and will them to victory. Somebody shared a tweet after last week's game that said it was the first time as a Bills that he won a game they trailed in. That wasn't technically correct, as the first was the Titans game last year. That game also counts as the only fourth quarter comeback that TT engineered, although it doesn't qualify for Pro Football Reference comebacks because Bills scored early in the quarter. So, I looked at TT's series with Bills down by one score or less with 2-4 minutes to go in the game (so hardly desperation time). Here are the sad results: NE1 - 0 FD - 0 Yds - 1 INT NE2 - 2 FD - 32 Yds KC - 1 FD - 19 Yds Phi - 0 FD - -2 Yds - 1 INT Balt - 0 FD - -8 Yds Miami - 0 FD - 0 Yds Six opportunities, zero clutch drives. I did not know the exact numbers...But I know this was a big topic on WGR last year and this past off-season...It's easy to see... There are built in excuses for Tyrod this year...And they're real...Good grief they're banged up on Offense...But I've never been of the mind that TT is that good...He's an amazing scrambler, runner, and a heck of an athlete...He throws a decent long ball...But IMHO he's never going to be quite good enough unless everything falls in to place (they stay healthy, get a real good #2 WR, and dominate in the running game)...And that so very rarely happens in the NFL... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 The only way, "clutch," can be used in the same sentence as, "Tyrod Taylor," would be - "I'm sick of watching Tyrod Taylor clutch the ball for 10 seconds every time he drops back whilst finding zero of his open receivers." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Once again No Sammy No 2nd WR Pass protection patetic NO running game Tyrod is a system qb....the system failed him So you are just ignoring everything else and sticking to just yesterday, and blindly I might add. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 I've said this about Taylor since last year. He's a good game manager when the defense shows up and plays. Look at the four wins before today. The defense generated 10 turnovers. Tyrod had to throw for an average of a whopping 156 yards per game. Those are game manager stats. Yesterday, we needed him to make plays and move the ball at the end of the game. He simply couldn't do it. Sadly, E.J. Manuel has had more success than Tyrod in these type of situations. I don't have disdain for any Bills QB's past or present. I want them to succeed. With that said, Tyrod is probably not the guy for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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