YoloinOhio Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 (edited) Giants knew and NFL knew... he admitted the abuse and some of it took place at Pro Bowl last year. Still only got one game. https://www.sny.tv/giants/news/browns-ex-wife-alleges-nfl-and-some-giants-players-were-aware-of-his-behavior/206655618 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/10/19/documents-show-josh-brown-admitted-to-physically-emotionally-abusing-his-ex-wife/ Edited October 25, 2016 by YoloinOhio
thebandit27 Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 With the heightened sensitivity to this issue, Roger's goose might be cooked.
Kirby Jackson Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 With the heightened sensitivity to this issue, Roger's goose might be cooked.I read it yesterday and cringed. This feels like a story that we will be hearing about more and more.
YoloinOhio Posted October 20, 2016 Author Posted October 20, 2016 @josinaanderson Giants source on Josh Brown's alleged admissions to abuse in newly-released police docs of his alleged emails & journal entries "not good."
Wayne Cubed Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 Hard to not see why he didn't get the 6-game suspension based on what these reporters were able to find. Saying that, the NFL claims they weren't able to get this information in 2015 and that they repeatedly attempted to contact Molly Brown and local law enforcement, both refused to cooperate with them. Hard to say what information was available at the time. These newly released documents are bad for Josh Brown but I'm not sure how bad they are for the NFL. They weren't available to them.
thebandit27 Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 @josinaanderson Giants source on Josh Brown's alleged admissions to abuse in newly-released police docs of his alleged emails & journal entries "not good." This is an enormous problem. The Giants knew about it and did nothing, which means that--if the NFL were functioning properly--they'd be sanctioned. However, with the NFL also knowing about it, they can't drop the hammer without looking like a bunch of massive hypocrites. This exacerbates how bad it looks to have gone so remarkably light on Brown in the first place, even after claiming that DV was an automatic 6-game suspension. Furthering the bad look is that they claimed it was because it was an isolated incident for which they didn't have enough information. I really think this could be Roger's ouster.
YoloinOhio Posted October 20, 2016 Author Posted October 20, 2016 She says that NFL security were involved at the pro bowl and they hid her and the children from him. That was this year. This is an enormous problem. The Giants knew about it and did nothing, which means that--if the NFL were functioning properly--they'd be sanctioned. However, with the NFL also knowing about it, they can't drop the hammer without looking like a bunch of massive hypocrites. This exacerbates how bad it looks to have gone so remarkably light on Brown in the first place, even after claiming that DV was an automatic 6-game suspension. Furthering the bad look is that they claimed it was because it was an isolated incident for which they didn't have enough information. I really think this could be Roger's ouster. also opens up the racial component considering Ray Rice and Greg Hardy are out of the league but he's not.
Blokestradamus Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 If the Giants don't release him, John Mara is showing the world that he's a liar as well as a coward. If nobody disciplines him before this weekend, the Rams should designate a man on the return unit to just cannonball his knees. The prick.
MarkyMannn Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 also opens up the racial component considering Ray Rice and Greg Hardy are out of the league but he's not. I'm sure someone at the NFL office said: "Hey he's white we got to keep him". Really??
Philo Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 (edited) I'm sure someone at the NFL office said: "Hey he's white we got to keep him". Really?? Someone will make the observation. But, yes, I doubt the NFL really said that. Edited October 20, 2016 by Philo Beddoe
NoSaint Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 I'm sure someone at the NFL office said: "Hey he's white we got to keep him". Really?? no but IF it did have that element it would probably look more like "i think josh is a good guy and that hardy character is a thug" and a lot of people make that racial distinction without outwardly saying it (or even directly thinking it due to race). did something like that happen here? who knows. does it happen? yea. and because it does, some people might get that impression.
YoloinOhio Posted October 20, 2016 Author Posted October 20, 2016 (edited) NYP: How the hell did the Giants and NFL let Josh Brown slide? http://nypost.com/2016/10/19/how-the-hell-did-giants-and-nfl-let-josh-brown-slide/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow&sr_share=twitter Edited October 20, 2016 by YoloinOhio
aristocrat Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 this is unbelievable. The one component in here is how he was abused as a child. Somebody screwed him up as a kid and now he has a ton of anger and just rage that just sits in the back of his brain waiting to come out. Him being abused seems to have left him as a sociopath...no empathy. What do you do with a guy like that? It's not his fault he's like that and it sounds like he's gotten some help to try and control it but it something he probably can never fix.
Captain_Quint Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 @josinaanderson Giants source on Josh Brown's alleged admissions to abuse in newly-released police docs of his alleged emails & journal entries "not good." Journal entries? Dear diary, Today I beat up my wife again. (Frown face). If she would just f#&$^#£ listen to me.... Love, Josh
thebandit27 Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 this is unbelievable. The one component in here is how he was abused as a child. Somebody screwed him up as a kid and now he has a ton of anger and just rage that just sits in the back of his brain waiting to come out. Him being abused seems to have left him as a sociopath...no empathy. What do you do with a guy like that? It's not his fault he's like that and it sounds like he's gotten some help to try and control it but it something he probably can never fix. The answer is very simple: it's totally understandable that he has the feelings he has; the actions he takes are 100% his responsibility. He can get counseling behind bars.
yungmack Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 At its core, the NFL is all about the NFCE and the Giants in particular, and so it's been forever. In many ways, it's the NFCE then everybody else. The league is NYC-based, as are the media companies, the ad agencies, the bankers. And many of the execs are area natives. Does a day go by that NFLN doesn't do numerous reports on every little detail of the Giants, not to mention the other three NFCE teams? Meanwhile, you can go hours if not days with almost nothing on other teams, save 4 or 5 franchises who have a national following (Packers, Steelers, Raiders, Pats, etc.) or a currently hot team like the Bills, though they drop those teams in a hurry when they cool off, something that never happens to NFCE teams no matter how poorly they play. So no surprise that a Josh Brown, playing in NYC, appears to get more "sensitive" treatment than someone playing for the Browns or some other "minor" franchise.
What a Tuel Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 The question is if the NFL had these documents that the Sheriff's office released now. They claimed they had insufficient evidence and the victim and the police wouldn't play ball. Why would they risk this all on a kicker? At its core, the NFL is all about the NFCE and the Giants in particular, and so it's been forever. In many ways, it's the NFCE then everybody else. The league is NYC-based, as are the media companies, the ad agencies, the bankers. And many of the execs are area natives. Does a day go by that NFLN doesn't do numerous reports on every little detail of the Giants, not to mention the other three NFCE teams? Meanwhile, you can go hours if not days with almost nothing on other teams, save 4 or 5 franchises who have a national following (Packers, Steelers, Raiders, Pats, etc.) or a currently hot team like the Bills, though they drop those teams in a hurry when they cool off, something that never happens to NFCE teams no matter how poorly they play. So no surprise that a Josh Brown, playing in NYC, appears to get more "sensitive" treatment than someone playing for the Browns or some other "minor" franchise. He's a kicker. I am hesitant to say after the whole Ray Rice thing that the NFL said, "We need to protect this kicker from harsh treatment for the sake of the Giants."
thebandit27 Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 The question is if the NFL had these documents that the Sheriff's office released now. They claimed they had insufficient evidence and the victim and the police wouldn't play ball. Why would they risk this all on a kicker? The NFL themselves apparently had to step in and thwart threatening behavior at the Pro Bowl just 4 months before his suspension was handed down resulting from an arrest in May of 2015. They knew first-hand that it wasn't isolated.
What a Tuel Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 The NFL themselves apparently had to step in and thwart threatening behavior at the Pro Bowl just 4 months before his suspension was handed down resulting from an arrest in May of 2015. They knew first-hand that it wasn't isolated. I don't know about the Pro Bowl situation but the linked article says this: Molly was told by police she was under no obligation to talk to NFL investigators after being contacted by a representative of the league. The league rep contacted the Kings County Sherriff's office several times over several months but was told by Robin Ostrum that she "would not discuss my open and active investigation." Molly told Ostrum that she didn't want to speak to the NFL because she feared the league "would only be looking to bury this whole incident and protect Josh."
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