Ron Burgundy Posted October 11, 2016 Posted October 11, 2016 Well, I think this throws a bit of a wrinkle in the defensive game plan. I know Kap looked like garbage in the last system but let's not forget what he did prior to that. The Bills need to be prepared. Shut down the run and have a spy on him on Kap to limit his runs. Have Darby on Kerley as he has somehow become the go-to guy over there and actually looked pretty good recently. I don't have faith in Gilmore, easily one of the most overrated CB's in the game.
Gugny Posted October 11, 2016 Posted October 11, 2016 I know it's your point but it's wrong. Are you victimized when a cop is killed or when a cop kills someone? So no one should have a view if it doesn't victimize you? Everyone should have a viewpoint. Where would you gather that I don't think anyone should ever NOT have a view? I'm simply stating that kneeling during the national anthem is one's right and one should not be treated poorly for exercising one's rights. Especially when, in this situation, the protest was silent and it disrupted exactly as many people as it put in harm's way .... ZERO.
Benjamin Franklin Posted October 11, 2016 Posted October 11, 2016 Well, I think this throws a bit of a wrinkle in the defensive game plan. I know Kap looked like garbage in the last system but let's not forget what he did prior to that. The Bills need to be prepared. Shut down the run and have a spy on him on Kap to limit his runs. Have Darby on Kerley as he has somehow become the go-to guy over there and actually looked pretty good recently. I don't have faith in Gilmore, easily one of the most overrated CB's in the game. No Bills fan is happy about this news. Kap is not a long term solution for the Niners or any team but he's got a little Vick in him and can occasionally be unbeatable.
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 11, 2016 Posted October 11, 2016 Everyone should have a viewpoint. Where would you gather that I don't think anyone should ever NOT have a view? I'm simply stating that kneeling during the national anthem is one's right and one should not be treated poorly for exercising one's rights. Especially when, in this situation, the protest was silent and it disrupted exactly as many people as it put in harm's way .... ZERO. It's insane that any reasonable American would ever disagree with any of this.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 11, 2016 Posted October 11, 2016 (edited) Everyone should have a viewpoint. Where would you gather that I don't think anyone should ever NOT have a view? I'm simply stating that kneeling during the national anthem is one's right and one should not be treated poorly for exercising one's rights. Especially when, in this situation, the protest was silent and it disrupted exactly as many people as it put in harm's way .... ZERO. I find it kind of amusing or even hypocritical to say it's ok for one person to protest while simultaneously saying that it's unacceptable for people to protest the person who's protesting. Example: Schopp has been railing on this for an hour and a half now. He thinks it's BAD for people to burn colin kaepernick's jersey. Why, exactly? Are they actually burning colin kaepernick when they do it? Or how about the person who heckles him? Are his first amendment rights somehow less sacred? Edited October 11, 2016 by joesixpack
Gugny Posted October 11, 2016 Posted October 11, 2016 I find it kind of amusing or even hypocritical to say it's ok for one person to protest while simultaneously saying that it's unacceptable for people to protest the person who's protesting. Example: Schopp has been railing on this for an hour and a half now. He thinks it's BAD for people to burn colin kaepernick's jersey. Why, exactly? Are they actually burning colin kaepernick when they do it? Or how about the person who heckles him? Are his first amendment rights somehow less sacred? Can you hear someone kneel? Can kneeling, in any way, be dangerous? Does kneeling keep you from hearing the National Anthem, or anything else?
thebandit27 Posted October 11, 2016 Posted October 11, 2016 I don't have faith in Gilmore, easily one of the most overrated CB's in the game. No offense intended here: you need to watch the All-22's if you think that. Just one example--watch him blanket the slippery Tavon Austin from the slot, and sustain his coverage for 7 full seconds: https://twitter.com/cover1eturner/status/785826015834550272 Keep in mind that Austin is a WR that runs a 4.34 sec 40, and had a 4.01 second 20-yard shuttle (the latter is better than all but 14 other receivers since 2010). He's very, very good. Call him inconsistent or pick on his ball awareness if you're so inclined, but to say he's overrated is simple folly IMO.
Big C Posted October 11, 2016 Posted October 11, 2016 (edited) I find it kind of amusing or even hypocritical to say it's ok for one person to protest while simultaneously saying that it's unacceptable for people to protest the person who's protesting. Namecalling and/or hoping to see him get hurt is not an acceptable form of protesting Kap, if that the intention. We have had plenty of folks step in and provide a peaceful rebuttal to Kap's stance and we have had some worthwhile discourse but some people are also missing the point entirely and being foul. Edited October 11, 2016 by Big C
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 11, 2016 Posted October 11, 2016 Can you hear someone kneel? Can kneeling, in any way, be dangerous? Does kneeling keep you from hearing the National Anthem, or anything else? Does burning a kaepernick jersey stop him from kneeling? Does heckling him cause any harm?
What a Tuel Posted October 11, 2016 Posted October 11, 2016 (edited) I find it kind of amusing or even hypocritical to say it's ok for one person to protest while simultaneously saying that it's unacceptable for people to protest the person who's protesting. Yeah, I don't quite understand this. I saw a few "you're racist" reactions to people criticizing the point Kaepernick was trying to make. They were pretty much telling people that you can't tell him how to protest, and if you feel he is misrepresenting the situation between police and minorities, then you must be racist and trying to silence him. It's lovely how that works. Be silent or you are racist. Edited October 11, 2016 by What a Tuel
Gugny Posted October 11, 2016 Posted October 11, 2016 Does burning a kaepernick jersey stop him from kneeling? Does heckling him cause any harm? No ... but both of those have the possibility/likelihood of disrupting/bothering any person/group withing proximity.
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 11, 2016 Posted October 11, 2016 Does burning a kaepernick jersey stop him from kneeling? Does heckling him cause any harm? It's your right. It's also other people's right to think you are a loser for caring so much about it in the first place. It blows my mind how many people actually are bothered by this. There are millions of slobs who turn the anthem or don't stand up for it when they watch the games at home. Personally, I think it is disrespectful but I can't imagine caring if someone else didn't.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 11, 2016 Posted October 11, 2016 No ... but both of those have the possibility/likelihood of disrupting/bothering any person/group withing proximity. Well, I'm personally bothered by what he's done and continues to do. I was raised to believe the flag and anthem have meaning and that standing and respecting the anthem is something you're supposed to do. I don't cheer during the anthem or even after it. I find that disrespectful as well. Hat comes off and covers the heart. Annoys me when people don't do that, too. Again, it's these peoples rights to be disrespectful. But it's also my right to call them asshats.
Big C Posted October 11, 2016 Posted October 11, 2016 It's your right. It's also other people's right to think you are a loser for caring so much about it in the first place. It blows my mind how many people actually are bothered by this. There are millions of slobs who turn the anthem or don't stand up for it when they watch the games at home. Personally, I think it is disrespectful but I can't imagine caring if someone else didn't. I'm in the same boat. It's really nobody's business to judge how somebody treats the anthem, or prayer, or whatever else. Many people at home and at the stadium "disrespect" the flag and they just think it's a good time to pee. At first I really didn't think this was going to be a big deal until Kap kind of came out with the protest and made it a weekly thing. But of course, this is America we are talking about. Of course it was going to be a big deal.
klos63 Posted October 11, 2016 Posted October 11, 2016 I can get over Kap doing his kneeling thing...but i hate that it trickled down to our local area high schools (in MD). These knucklehead kids are kneeling during the anthem and really have no idea why they're doing it other than mimicking their "role model" Maybe you're the one who has no idea why they're kneeling, what makes you think they don't know?
What a Tuel Posted October 11, 2016 Posted October 11, 2016 (edited) I'm in the same boat. It's really nobody's business to judge how somebody treats the anthem, or prayer, or whatever else. Many people at home and at the stadium "disrespect" the flag and they just think it's a good time to pee. At first I really didn't think this was going to be a big deal until Kap kind of came out with the protest and made it a weekly thing. But of course, this is America we are talking about. Of course it was going to be a big deal. It's a big thing because the country is widely divided based on his comments not his protest. A large portion of the country do not believe cops are murdering people, and that they are a force for good. So naturally when someone comes out and says "I can't be proud of this country because it oppresses black people, and that there are bodies in the street, and (officers) are getting paid leave and getting away with murder" there will be a backlash of "wtf are you talking about?" Edited October 11, 2016 by What a Tuel
Gugny Posted October 11, 2016 Posted October 11, 2016 Well, I'm personally bothered by what he's done and continues to do. I was raised to believe the flag and anthem have meaning and that standing and respecting the anthem is something you're supposed to do. I don't cheer during the anthem or even after it. I find that disrespectful as well. Hat comes off and covers the heart. Annoys me when people don't do that, too. Again, it's these peoples rights to be disrespectful. But it's also my right to call them asshats. We're talking about two different things. I disagree 100% with anyone who chooses to not stand during the national anthem. However, I respect his right to sit, stand, kneel, shout, cry, boo, or whatever he chooses to do during the national anthem. I also respect HIM for respecting THOSE AROUND HIM by choosing to very silently, and with no movement, protest. I always remove my hat (even when I'm in my house). I always stand. I always put my hand on my heart. If someone was next to me, choosing to boo loudly, or make a spectacle against the national anthem .. then I would likely say something. If someone next to me quietly decided to not stand, then I would respect that person's rights. We're on the same page more than you may have thought. I just think that the way Kaep went about it was very respectful to those around him.
Boatdrinks Posted October 11, 2016 Posted October 11, 2016 It's insane that any reasonable American would ever disagree with any of this. In your opinion. It's insane that anyone would have an issue with someone's right to protest Kaepernicks actions if they think what he is " sticking up for" is wrong. Their protest is no less a right than his. Just because he has the right doesn't mean others don't have the right to disagree with him or call him out on it. When a " protest" is perpetuating a lie about something ( the ability of Police to use deadly physical force and what the criteria are for its use and in what situation they will be indemnified for use of such force ) some citizens will feel compelled to point that out. It may be through booing Kapernick or burning his jersey , or wearing a shirt with an anti Kaepernicks message. These would be valid forms of protest .
Big C Posted October 11, 2016 Posted October 11, 2016 Well, I'm personally bothered by what he's done and continues to do. I was raised to believe the flag and anthem have meaning and that standing and respecting the anthem is something you're supposed to do. I don't cheer during the anthem or even after it. I find that disrespectful as well. Hat comes off and covers the heart. Annoys me when people don't do that, too. Again, it's these peoples rights to be disrespectful. But it's also my right to call them asshats. The difference is that what they are doing is defying an ideal or tradition, where you are attacking a person. It's your right to do so, but it's awfully small of you to call someone else a name because they treat the anthem differently than you do, especially if you don't even know who they are.
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