buffaloboyinATL Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 If our Offense keeps performing as well as it has the past couple of weeks. It is "his" offense but demonstrates his inability to call plays during a game. I would imagine teams will be hesitant trusting his in game abilities going forward. It seems painfully obvious righ now given the immediate turn around in offensive effectiveness with the new OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Roman's offense looked pretty good his first year and he got fired a year later. Might be too early to crown Lynn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Roman's situation is odd. We saw him succeed in SF for a short period and then the wheels kinda came off the bus with that offense. We saw him have some sucess in Buffalo last season and then through 2 games this season, the wheels were coming off the bus again. I dont doubt hes a good offensive mind. I may doubt his ability to adapt on the go and counter what a defense is doing to the offense on a given sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 If our Offense keeps performing as well as it has the past couple of weeks. It is "his" offense but demonstrates his inability to call plays during a game. I would imagine teams will be hesitant trusting his in game abilities going forward. It seems painfully obvious righ now given the immediate turn around in offensive effectiveness with the new OC. Don't count your chickens pre-hatch. Time will tell. Let's wait to see how the Bills offense continues to perform before worrying about Roman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 If our Offense keeps performing as well as it has the past couple of weeks. It is "his" offense but demonstrates his inability to call plays during a game. I would imagine teams will be hesitant trusting his in game abilities going forward. It seems painfully obvious righ now given the immediate turn around in offensive effectiveness with the new OC. New OC's have a big advantage in playcalling. People think that because Roman had been an OC in SF that teams knew just what to expect when he came to Buffalo. But when you give an OC entirely knew personnel it's the near equivalent of wiping the slate clean. Works for QB's too........look at the initial run that previously "found-out" Bills like Flutie and Fitz have had after switching teams. There is only so much time to throw a gameplan together from week to week and watching tape of every player on his former team and changing what YOU do based on THAT........well that's not happening all that often. Roman had the advantage of being new to the position last year.........Lynn has it now......and should have it all season if he's cut out for it. I think the assumption will be that Roman has learned from the mistakes and has a sound foundation........he's certainly had success without much in the way of a franchise QB. Bills OC's like Dan Henning and Kevin Gilbride have gone on to subsequent playoff success after being run out of town for sh*t playcalling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Roman needs to learn to adapt a little more and get calls in quicker. His schemes are effective. One thing I'm not sure anybody pointed out or noticed themselves, but when Roman was OC in SF, before they switched to Kap, he also used Kap in weird sub packages like he was doing with EJ. I get that it adds an extra wrinkle, but it was maddening to see how he utilized that wrinkle in the Jets game. That's not something a pro OC should be doing and surely the rest of the league noticed. I wouldn't be surprised to see him take a lower position or go back to college ball before getting another chance at an NFL OC gig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 I think Roman is great at designing plays. The thing that is really standing out over the last couple of games is how quickly the Bills are lining up for the next play. Roman was simply getting the play call in late forcing the QB to get the ball snapped before fully reading the D. This is a major issue. The Bills offense is way too talented to be put in that position. Give them a fair amount of time presnap and the whole dynamic changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 it makes him look terrible he could be replaced by someone with no OC experience and that guy could be an improvement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 If our Offense keeps performing as well as it has the past couple of weeks. It is "his" offense but demonstrates his inability to call plays during a game. I would imagine teams will be hesitant trusting his in game abilities going forward. It seems painfully obvious righ now given the immediate turn around in offensive effectiveness with the new OC. Certain words tend to be used with others. "Gall" tends to be unmitigated, but not a lot of other stuff seems to be unmitigated. Reputations tend to be "tarnished". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Maybe Roman is only a good OC when Jim Harbaugh is the HC, time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Yeah. Reputation definitely has taken a hit. I bet he can get a college coaching job easily, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Well if he wants. He can sit on his couch for the next two years as the highest paid OC courtesy of the Pegulas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Roman's situation is odd. We saw him succeed in SF for a short period and then the wheels kinda came off the bus with that offense. We saw him have some sucess in Buffalo last season and then through 2 games this season, the wheels were coming off the bus again. I dont doubt hes a good offensive mind. I may doubt his ability to adapt on the go and counter what a defense is doing to the offense on a given sunday. He also continued to take too much time getting plays called in as he did in SF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Nothing happens to his reputation, IMO. His situation vs. Lynn's situation are completely opposite. I don't think Roman trusted Taylor. That affected play-calling. A lot. If Roman, "let Tyrod be Tyrod," the risk was high for turnovers, injury and failure. Lynn gets a freebie. He has nothing at all to lose. He's gambling if he lets Tyrod use his legs more or throw passes on obvious passing downs, but he's betting $5 vs. Roman betting his house, car and first born. Good for Lynn and I hope it works long-term for Tyrod and the Bills. But I think most people can see that Tyrod's limitations kept Roman from calling the plays that most of us would like to see on a more consistent basis. Take the 4th and one plays against the Jets. Lynn would be a lot more comfortable letting Tyrod pass in that situation; or even let him do a designed run. If the pass didn't get off, or if Taylor got hurt on the run play, Lynn would face no criticism because, "he's just a lowly coach who's been thrust into this OC position." If Roman did either of those things, he would be torn apart. My guess is that he'll land somewhere else as an OC next season and I hope that happens for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Don't count your chickens pre-hatch. Time will tell. Let's wait to see how the Bills offense continues to perform before worrying about Roman Yes. Please dont jinx it brehhs!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Nothing happens to his reputation, IMO. His situation vs. Lynn's situation are completely opposite. I don't think Roman trusted Taylor. That affected play-calling. A lot. If Roman, "let Tyrod be Tyrod," the risk was high for turnovers, injury and failure. Lynn gets a freebie. He has nothing at all to lose. He's gambling if he lets Tyrod use his legs more or throw passes on obvious passing downs, but he's betting $5 vs. Roman betting his house, car and first born. Good for Lynn and I hope it works long-term for Tyrod and the Bills. But I think most people can see that Tyrod's limitations kept Roman from calling the plays that most of us would like to see on a more consistent basis. Take the 4th and one plays against the Jets. Lynn would be a lot more comfortable letting Tyrod pass in that situation; or even let him do a designed run. If the pass didn't get off, or if Taylor got hurt on the run play, Lynn would face no criticism because, "he's just a lowly coach who's been thrust into this OC position." If Roman did either of those things, he would be torn apart. I suppose there may be logic and reason here but it is beyond my powers of discernment. -Tyrod has been Tyrod the last two games, and the high risk of turnovers, injury, and failure has not materialized. -It may in future, but failure materialized during the 1st 2 games without Tyrod being Tyrod. -Roman has a guaranteed paycheck. His house and car are his to keep, as is his firstborn. What he risked is his reputation, and if Lynn's offense succeeds consistently this season where his didn't, he will take a hit. -Lynn has been an assistant in the league for a long time without getting a break. The Rooney Rule provides token interviews more than it facilitates real change or opportunity for advancement. If Lynn fails as OC, even as an OC where the odds were stacked against success by taking over mid-season, he risks an opportunity for a step that may not come his way again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K D Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 They are still running Greg Roman plays. Hes good at designing them, just not good at calling them it would seem. We are enjoying early success with Lynn but how long is it sustainable? The big thing he has going for him now is unpredictably. And even if we have continued success this year, what happens next year if he wants to put in his own offense? Too early to say how this will turn out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KollegeStudnet Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 It's not entirely all Roman's offensive plan anymore per se, it is Lynn's game plan. Lynn is more run heavy, where Roman's was not. I look for the game plan to evolve against a Rams Dline that is decent against the run and built to compete against Wilson and the Seahawks twice a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/181534-how-do-we-convince-roman-to-stay/ http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/187800-tank-2016-for-greg-roman-hc/ http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/187800-tank-2016-for-greg-roman-hc/ http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/180392-is-greg-roman-the-next-mike-pettine/ lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/181534-how-do-we-convince-roman-to-stay/ http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/187800-tank-2016-for-greg-roman-hc/ http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/187800-tank-2016-for-greg-roman-hc/ http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/180392-is-greg-roman-the-next-mike-pettine/ lol Who knew Roman would make the same exact mistakes he made in SF? Crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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